i think it was maxwell but im not evan positive

Originally posted by TomoHawk

They actually first flew their plane in Dayton, Ohio.

I don't think this is true. They certainly went to Kitty Hawk because of the winds. In fact, they went there several years in a row flying gliders in 1901 and 1902. As witnessed by the recent re-enactment failure, the 1903 flyer needed a sustained airspeed of about 15mph to fly. A steady headwind was absolutely required for this.

Originally posted by billramsey2002

i think it was maxwell but im not evan positive

I think that's correct. But we all know the first REAL car was the 240Z!

I remember doing a project on this at school at one stage, did the plane actually clear the ground in Dayton? I thought they moved elsewhere because it wouldnt get off the ground totally at their first location?

On the car, do you mean the first one powered by an internal combustion engine or a steam engine?

The first automobile (and origin of the word) was sometime in the 14th century, and it was a cart powered by four slaves moving capstans.

Then you had the dutch using windmill powered land vehicles in the 16th century.

Evans was the first to apply for a patent, but I dont think he was the first to try the idea of a steam powered car, I think that honour goes to Captain Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot in 1769.

Hi Mike-

The Wright Flyer (powered, not glider) actually did fly in Dayton, and that's where they get the 120-foot distance, barely off the ground,as Z Kid said, so they went to Kitty Hawk to make a real 'flight.'

Oh-

Jurgon AUTO invented the AUTO-mobile

hey your right the 240 was the first real car

Oh-

Jurgon AUTO invented the AUTO-mobile

Is that true? I thought AUTO was a prefix for something that wasn't done manually. Or is that where the prefix came from.

There's no 'auto' in latin or any other language I know, so I think it's a little of both, or the one invented the other.

Originally posted by TomoHawk

The Wright Flyer (powered, not glider) actually did fly in Dayton, and that's where they get the 120-foot distance, barely off the ground,as Z Kid said, so they went to Kitty Hawk to make a real 'flight.'

Do you have any references for this information?

I've walked along the path where the original flights were made. They've got granite markers for each of the 4 flights made on Dec 17, 1903. The first flight was indeed 120 feet. The 2nd and 3rd were around 200 feet. The 4th and final flight of the day was 852 feet.

http://www.nasm.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/wright03.htm

Incidentally while we are on useless flying facts, the US replica/rebuilt original wright flyer is put together all arse up, they built an exact copy and tried to fly it here, turns out all your controls on the rebuild are on upside down, scared the $^!# out of the poor guy trying to fly it here. Found it out looking back at original photographs.

The information came from documentaries on the History Channel, including the original Wright Flyer and the recent replicas. Also from History books and hostorical perfessors I've had.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights can make an airplane."

auto

- \Au"to-\ An abbrev. of automobile, used as a prefix with the meaning of self-moving, self-propelling; as, an autocar, an autocarriage, an autotruck, etc., an automobile car, carriage, truck, etc.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

auto

- \Au"to-\ [Gr. ? self.] A combining form, with the meaning of self, one's self, one's own, itself, its own.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.