February 24, 200817 yr comment_238401 Here's a nicely atmospheric shot of the Daytona from the rear. Doesn't look all that slow in the photo.......... Great Alan many thanks for that. I believe only 6 of those Daytona coupe's were ever built. I have one question where do you acquire these pictures and documentation from?I'd love to look into this stuff more, it's great learning the history of all these cars. :classic: I was thinking the same thing, lots of great info always Alan. Didn't know one of the 6 Cobras did Fuji, but is that a Swastika on that car? :stupid: ~Z~ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 27, 200817 yr comment_238743 Its from Japan, Is there any history on how Japan got to Grand Prix? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 27, 200817 yr comment_238752 but is that a Swastika on that car? :stupid: ~Z~ It might be. The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. The symbol dates back along time before its meaning was corrupted by the Nazis. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 27, 200817 yr comment_238758 It might be.The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. The symbol dates back along time before its meaning was corrupted by the Nazis. HAHA, Thats True ~_^ I was wondering who would get that Seen that symbole in lots of different places to which I was suprised, but never on a race car. My Uncle once told me Hitler or the Nazis stole that symbole from one of the African peoples and fliped it in reverse. He also said that the original symbole of those particular peoples was supossed to mean LOVE. Athough I haven't read that for myself yet, ...nor tryed to look OK, an American car, in Japan, driven by a Japaness driver,... wheres the connection to Sanskrit? Ain't that Aribic? The story on that Cobra keeps getting weirder / intersting, you'd figure the Muscle car guys, like Barrett Jackeson and such, would be deep on the info for this APEX of all muscle cars. But Alan comes through as always ~Z~ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 27, 200817 yr Author comment_238760 Not wanting to get into the politics involved etc., I'll just say that the origins of the symbol that has become known as the swastika and is commonly associated with Nazi Germany/Hitler etc., predates that era considerably and was used by many peoples/religions including Africa, the Far East and many other regions. In fact it dates back to B.C. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 28, 200817 yr comment_238809 I've seen many "swastikas" at Japanese religious sites...not sure why though. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 28, 200817 yr comment_238835 I was thinking the same thing, lots of great info always Alan.Didn't know one of the 6 Cobras did Fuji, but is that a Swastika on that car? :stupid: ~Z~ My guess is its a number like "45" just looks like a Swastika from the photo's angle. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 28, 200817 yr comment_238851 Just to clear up the matter of that symbol on Sakai's Cobra Daytona Coupe:In Japanese this character / symbol is called 'Manji', and is closely associated with the Buddhist religion - where it simply denotes good fortune ( amongst other things ). Sakai's team would have been using it on the car in that context, and not in any other.As has been mentioned, the symbol has a long and complex history - but in Japan it has been used for many centuries in the Buddhist religion, which intertwines with the Japanese 'Shinto' religion. The Manji symbol has been used in dynastic and feudal heraldry ( most notably in Daimyo and family flags ) across the centuries too, so it is quite possible that Sakai's team were using it in that context too. There's nothing sinister about it. Alan T. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 28, 200817 yr comment_238867 As a guy who lived and spent many years in the Orient, living 3 years in Japan I saw nothing wrong with the symbol on Sakai's team car. I have a funny story (sorry if the thread has been hi jacked) about the symbol. Our ship was in Singapore for a little liberty and on the dash of the bus that was hired to take us from Sombawang to the MRT station there was a Manji on the dash board. That thing caught the attention of some of my shipmates and they were affended. I said to them: "how would you feel if a Buddist person saw a cross or the fish symbol on your dash and told you he was offened?" I told them that it is no different and that the symbol was stolen and misrepresented by the Nazis. Some of the guys wanted the Navy to stop using the bus because of it....I could not believe it. To stay true to the thread: That badge is real cool, sounds like Alan would love to make a play on it because "1966 features big in my collection". Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
February 28, 200817 yr comment_238872 HAHA, Very cool info all Right you are Mont and Alan. Didn't mean to imply something was wrong, it just backed up the old, "I thought I saw everything", saying for me. American Muscle Car on Nippon Track etc etc and thought it all a unique combination of things. Even learned of a new driver namded Sakai Indeed, All that history in just one badge Wait a minute, how this Happen, 1,000th POST ! ~Z~ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-238872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 20, 200816 yr comment_251390 Viewing an old thread. Lots of good info here.My compliments, Alan. I'm impressed. :classic:Me too.For my small contribution to the subject, I've noticed that 1966 was the 3rd annual race and is often referred to as such. (No race in 1965.) This may the reason for "3rd" on the badge. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/10406-japan-grand-prix-grille-badge/?&page=2#findComment-251390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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