Another one to avoid

[ChrisA]

WOW!! Sellers ignorance is not buyers bliss! Or is it the other way around.:stupid:

[sblake01]

Will, I think that what you propose would still be considered tampering by the 'ebay police' in that you would have to see that they are bidding on a Z in order to contact them. As far as the sellers go, unfortunately, it seems that there are many whose sole purpose is to sell the car and will use whatever methods necessary to accomplish that. I was actually told that when I emailed the seller of the 'One and only 280ZX racing edition' if you remember that one from last year. It's like anything else. This has turned into and big and rather unscrupulous business. The seller doesn't have to substantiate his claims. How many times have you seen 'to the best of my knowledge' or 'as far as I know' etc. in those ads. That's why in a fairly recent transaction, well chronicled here, my advice was that you have to seperate the ebay seller from the commercial business owner if he happens to be both. Two different games, two different sets of rules. We can't fix it. We need to just leave it alone!

(MY last post on this thread)

[2ManyZs]

The biggest rule is "caveat emptor", or let the buyer beware.

If they know how to use a computer to bid on Ebay, they should obviously be able to find somewhere to ask if what they are bidding on is what it is claimed to be. There have been a few people who have asked our opinion on a car on Ebay, but, sadly, those are in the minority.

I e-mailed the seller of the so called BSR "race car" about it not being as advertised, or would need documentation to prove his claim. He wasn't the seller, only a Ebay Listing agent, who was more than happy to change the auction to protect his reputation.

He asked me many questions, and I referred him to other people who could vouch for what I had told him. He then asked me in numerous e-mails more questions about the car and what I thought it would bring as far as a price. The last time I saw it listed, it was getting bids, and the high bid was almost exactly in the middle of the price range I told him it should bring. Not every seller is going to accept advice like that, nor do I think we should give it.

When we discuss a cars shortcomings here, the info is out there for anyone to look at it. If it is not seen or heeded, then the buyer is getting exactly what they deserve. The whole idea behind a free market society is an educated consumer, and for those who choose not to educate themselves, then they are only hurting themselves.

[GunnerRob]

Maybe we could provide a link on our main (home) page to a section or article designed specifically for the first time Zcar shopper/buyer to help them make intelligent decisions. It would also introduce them to all the other information this club offers.

If we were to offer this service, we would also need to (flag?) our site to come up on search engines for a search on "240z buying advice" or something similar. I tried this and we (our club) didn't come up.

I dunno if this is going too far or not. What do you guys and gals think?

[seerex]

like the ideal Rob , I am sure it would help any potiential buy of any Z , love to see a checklist so to speak , and pics of things we know would be suspect < floor pans> and what they should look like and just basic info , its all here on the site just in diffrent threads , I am willing to donate a pic of my pans to show what not to buy , but agree with most all on its buyer beware and if a person does not research their purchase before putting out their money that their own loss , I think if you expect the worse and hope for the best that all you can expect from ebay

[Ed]

Whoever e-mailed the seller on this one got the listing changed. It now shows it's a 73! And the seller has included the VIN>

Sorry wrong thread. Please disregard.

[daddz]

I have noticed a bit of a "stall" in the escalation of bids with regard to that 240Z w/ a supposed 4484 miles.

I would agree with previous statements in this thread with regard to "tampering" with one's auction--not a good idea.

An interesting aside as it relates to ebay car auctions: were it not for a similar thread on classic-celicas.com I would not have known about the '72 Celica that came my way back in December 2003. The link was posted and comments began to flow in about the car and some of the advice was helpful to me in deciding how much to bid on the car. Thank goodness the owner was honest in his description and objective about the car.

I have previously sold two Z cars on ebay and have met with good success and I find that being honest is the best policy. In both cases the car's new owners were very appreciative and even after the car's were brought back to their respective new homes the, emails I received were a testament to setting expectations at a realistic level.

It's a shame that Nissan's governing values of being honest and fair dealing in its business practices when the company was first founded can't be found in the automotive business these days.

[hls30.com]

I am not clear on how an invitation to join a club is tampering with an auction. At no point would I ever say anything to the affects of "don't buy that" or "don't buy from them". I would simply make available more information to base a purchasing evaluation on. The conclusion to be drawn is theirs. I guess Paypals' purchase insurance is the ebay answer.

I like GunnerRobs idea-we have brought it up before in other threads-I think it should happen-if not here, then I have a site to park it on.

I expect my friends to correct me when I am wrong, and to politely explain their opinion when they think I am about to make, or have made, a mistake. If they tell me something I don't want to hear, I respect them enough to honestly evalute their point of view. They understand that the decision is mine, and support me

regardless of the outcome. They get the same responsibility, support, and acceptance from me.

Will