Parts Car - What parts are worth?

[Murph]

Howdy,

Not too long ago I acquired a 260Z 2+2 parts car, most of which is quite original. I'd put it up in the Aussie section but haven't had too much interest.

Now what I was wondering, is what parts are worth a reasonable amount, enough that it's worth selling them to other countries for example. Maybe even chucking them on eBay.

Eg, I had a quick look around at the prices of tail lights and it seems they fetch quite a decent amount.

I'm not looking to make a killing off it, but I could use the extra $ as I'm a poor uni student.

Anything worth while?

[abas]

datto-zed

It seems a lot of z's are worth more as spares than complete cars

as there seem to be quite a few people who are breaking z's and ebaying the bits. Especially it seems the 2+2 as it is not seen as sporty as the 2 seater.

Assuming Aussie market cars are pretty much the same as in the UK just a few of the most sought after bits off a 2+2 are the bits that will go on a 2 seater, I am thinking of:

engine and gearbox

r200 diff and mountings

front wings

cowl panel

rear lights as you have said

suspension and steering items

dashboard

I'm not sure about the hatch, but I know the doors are unique to the 2+2

there are probably a load of interior items that are interchangeable with 260z 2 seaters.

If you are thinking about shipping abroad, I would think only smaller items would be practical due to the higher cost of international shipping. I thought there was still quite a lot of interest in z's still in OZ though.

Surprisingly in the UK the 2+2 is becoming a lot more popular now as it is seen as a good 'family' compromise compared to the 2 seater, and as so many were broken up for spares there aren't many left.

Just my opinion

Andrew

[Alan Pugh]

2+2's in Aus as far as I can find out were delivered in just about equal numbers to 2 seaters.

There is no denying that the 240 will and should be the most collectable and revered of all the Z's.

When the 2+2 was introduced into Aus it out sold the 260 2 seater, why who really knows.

Me, Well at the rate 2+2's are being broken up for parts and whatever else, I figure in 5 to 10 years i'll have the only one left in Aus.

Oh sorry, Zedrally and myself will have the only 2.

How rare is that!!!

I'll post again in 5 years and let's see how my prediction goes.

[Murph]

This one has had me really stuck deciding what to do with it. It's pretty much complete and standard with a straight body other than the front left guard. It needs a new coat of paint, has some surface rust and a few patches of cancerous rust, but nothing too bad or in critical areas. If I had the money or time I'd be fixing it up and selling it.

However it's worth a lot to me for the bits I need for mine. Heaps of interior parts as well as pretty much the whole driveline. I'm thinking, whatever I do, I'll make sure not to hack up the shell as it's still fairly good.

[240 in OZ]

2 seater numbers same as 2+2 numbers into Australia; dont think so!

1st Generation Z Car Production

http://www.cybersanford.net/DATSUNZCARS.html

Regards

Joseph Gauci

[Zedrally]

Originally posted by Alan Pugh

Oh sorry, Zedrally and myself will have the only 2.

How rare is that!!!

I'll post again in 5 years and let's see how my prediction goes.

You're right on the money there Alan.

I think that one reason there appears more sold is the 2+2's where more commonly seen in the Dealerships.

I remember when I brought my first one, all the was available was a 2+2. For a 2 seater I had to join the list!

The reality probably is that Nissan Japan dumped all the RHD 2+2's that they over made into Aus.

[Murph]

Hmm...

I just need to find myself a real dunger, something rusted to $^!#, then use it's bits to make this 2+2 complete again.

Don't think my parents would be too happy bout me having yet another car sitting around here though.

[Zedrally]

Just tow it back to the RAAF Base until needed!

[Alan Pugh]

Joseph,

I did say in my post JUST ABOUT EQUAL NUMBERS, and I did say that the 2+2 once released out sold the 260 2 seater.

Lets use your figures from Cybersanford.

240Z 1970-319

240Z 1971-894

240Z 1972-362

240Z 1973-783

240Z Total-2358

260Z 1974-422

260Z 1975-198

260Z 1976-385

260Z Total-1005

260Z 2+2 1974-599

260Z 2+2 1975-742

260Z 2+2 1976-1615

260Z 2+2 Total-2956

2 seater total = 3363

2+2 total = 2956

As you can see there is only 407 more 2 seaters ( JUST ABOUT )

2+2 sales against 2 seater sales FOR THE 260Z are nearly 2 to 1, I believe that means it out sold the 2 seater.

I have left out the 1977 figure because it is not divided into the 2 body types.

I think it's great that there are so many of these cars being restored, modified and just generally being kept on the road, and by that I mean S30 cars.

2+2 OWNERS HAVE FEELINGS TOO, THEY LOVE THEIR CARS JUST AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS LOVE YOUR 2 SEATERS.

Alan P.

[Z Kid]

I maintain that those figures are sketchy to say the least, I researced 240Z no 131 (or was it 134) when it was tentatively for sale here a while back, according to its original owner that was the first officially imported Z into SA, and one of Alans friends has a firwall number in the teens from a wrecks Australian Z I think from memory? So when in 1969 they say 0, they cant really mean that can they, if these were official nissan imports bought from a dealer? Given the varied specs of Aus 240's especially I think we were as was mentioned before just a dumping ground for all sorts of RHD models, and it would be impossible to establish the exact number imported?

IE I have seen 73Z's with the side repeaters in teh guards, without them, with the UK style indicators on the bumper and with nothing at all and no holes in the bumper. It may give a rough guide, but I'd say very rough at best.

Cheers Chris

[Alan Pugh]

Hi Chris,

I too have often disagreed with the first 500 cars to the USA.

The point of the exercise was to show Joseph, using figures that he posted, that he either didn't read my post and or didn't bother to add up the figures he was using from Cybersanford.

I don't know that any of those figures are correct, but the same figures seem to come up quite often and as that is all we have to go off, what else do you use.

I also didn't like the tone of Joseph's reply!!!!!!!!!!

[HS30-H]

Those "1st generation Z car production" figures quoted on the cybersanford site seem to be the ones from the "Datsun 280ZX" book that Carl Beck quotes on the zhome site. In fact, judging from the "American Sports Car" quote and other comments I would imagine that cybersanford took a lot of inspiration from the zhome site................ "thats right, this car was designed for the U.S. market!"

Its a real shame that so many people quote the figures from that book, as they are without doubt a complete crock of crap. You can quote me on that if you want.

Notice that they purport to be "First Generation" Z car production figures. This SHOULD include all of the S30 / S31 models and derivatives ( S30, PS30, HLS30, HS30, RS30, RLS30, GRS30, GRLS30, S31 etc etc ) but quite clearly the quoted list misses a huge amount of production.

Example: They quote a nice round "500" for USA in year 1969, with ALL other territories ( I presume "other" also includes Japan?!! ) getting zero. Sorry - but that is total rubbish. Nissan Shatai's own internal production records show that they built 543 "Export" S30-series bodies during 1969, and 969 Domestic S30-series. According to the 280ZX book figures ( quoted by zhome and cybersanford ) these 969 bodies did not exist..............

Another example: Take the 1970 year production ( not "Model Year" - I'm talking about what was MADE, not what Nissan said they sold ). Nissan Shatai's records state that they made 3,700 "Domestic" market S30-series bodies in 1970 - but the 280ZX book list shows just three cars in its "other" category for that year.

The list is either right or wrong. Seeing as it seems to completely ignore Japanese domestic production and sales, I can't see how any of the other figures that it quotes as "First Generation Z car production" can be taken seriously, let alone trusted. In short, its rubbish.

This is one of the things about the "Z World" that saddens me. The list purports to give accurate information about "First Generation" Z cars, without even mentioning the existence of the Japanese domestic-market models. I see a lot of this. Its like some weird form of denial. Very strange. An almost perverted perspective.

Alan T.

( ps - who wants to volunteer to tell cybersanford how to spell Australia? :classic: )