The Z Car's Nemesis?

[TomoHawk]

Nemesis....

to me, it would have to be something with great handling, rear-wheel drive with decent horsepower, and sports-car looks. I just can't think of any thing right now tho.

Or are you going to consider any model with any characteristics?

There just doesn't seem to be anything compareable!

[F114]

A bit off topic here but in a previous post mentioned the spare parts situation for older European Fords. The central parts warehouse in Cologne (Köln), Germany was destroyed in a fire 1977.

Thomas

[zwrenchturner]

I'm sure most of you guys are more interested in the early Z's like the 240 and by nemesis you mean "on the race tracks" and all that other good stuff, but...

a few years back I was the proud owner of a $500, 3 colored, stock 1985 RX-7 with the 12A engine (hey I was broke)

however, my buddy was the owner of a stock 1985 300z (he had a better paint job than me) anyways we used to dink around on the roads a lot and I have to say that the two cars were almost identical. When we'd take off from stop lights neither of us would pull ahead, even on the highway it was like racing a mirror image, we were always dead even. maybe it was the cars, maybe we were just equally crappy drivers or something but in my opinion I think the RX-7 should be on here somewhere.

of course take into account that I'm just a young buck, I've never raced, and the only Z I've ever owned is the L24 that sits on a stand in the garage (dont laugh, you gotta start somewhere) but I thought I'd share my two cents.

:nervous:

feel free to verbally abuse me till your fingers go numb if I'm wrong though,

[Fun_in_my_z]

The only thing i can think of would be other Zs. Like a V8.

Zwrencher...dont feel bad this is what i started with.

http://www.classiczcars.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=8788&password=&sort=7&thecat=500

Not to many Zs left in Arkansas to much water.

[Fun_in_my_z]

Well i have to be honest. I thought the porsche owners were nicer then that.

I saw a beautifull porche today, i said hey nice car man... ive never seen so much nose in the air!:mad: Cant waight to get the z going :devious:

[brianglawson]

im not basing on price or anything but actually comparable cars

triumph tr6

porsche 911

toyota 200gt

mazda rx7 (1st gen)

Mgb gt

triumph spitfire coupes

opel gt

alfa romeo gtv6 (i think thats it)

and many others but more readlily available modern cars

240sx

rx7 (2nd gen)

supra MKIII (pretty heavy though)

3000gt (non turbo) (iknow its FWD but still i think pretty comparable tourer)

Supra MKIIII non turbo

tons of car you can really compare, but i think its true Nemisis is the very rare Toyota 2000gt

[1 Bravo 6]

Yair Brian,

I'd love to get my hands on a Toyota 2000GT.

A quote from "Just Cars" magazine, April 2002.

"A project was created with Goertz working on the design and Yamaha was asked to develop an appropriate engine.

Sad to say things didn't go well; the 2.0 litre Yamaha engine did not suit Nissan and the whole project got shelved. What is interesting is that Goertz and Yamaha then went to Toyota and the result was the short lived Toyota 2000GT, released in 1965".

If anyone can pick up a copy of the January 2002 issue of Just Cars Magazine there's an article about the Toyota 2000GT.

Rick.

[porschephile]

Wow, I don't even know how to respond to some of the clueless uneducated statements made here in regards to Porsches. Remember, I am a Z owner and Datsun/Nissan enthusiast too, so don't think I'm some "biggot" because I'm a Porsche enthusiast as well. Some of you guys might want to research the racing history of Porsche first before making some of these comments. Did you know that Porsche has over 23,000 WINS?! Yes, that's TWENTY THREE THOUSAND WINS. No other manufacturer even comes close to that. Lots of people like to blow them off as "yuppie cars" while completely overlooking the engineering prowess, ingenuity and precision of these cars. Are they the best cars in the world? No, IMO there is no absolute best car in the world. True, they have their jerk owners that like to look down on other cars, but I don't condone that. I'm a Porsche enthusiast first, but I am still an automotive enthusiast so I appreciate all cars. Please don't demean Porsches because of the bad attitude of some of their owners. Pretty much any type of car has some of those type of owners as well.

The Z's only competitor a 935? Maybe you should be specific on what Z? Wow, do you even know what the 935 is? In it's final form it made ~845hp, and sometimes in excess of that due to variable boost. I'm sorry, I love s30 Z's but the 935 is in a completely different league. Did you know that 935's were actually tested in the 1/4mi and found to run high 8.90's?! (I want to know who actually tested this though, #'s published on quite a few sites) They also did 0-60 in something like 2.8sec and top speeds in excess of 220mph. I'm sorry but all of the Z's I've seen in professional racing (BRE s30's, 280zx's, IMSA 300zx's, etc) have nowhere near the performance levels of a 935/78. Even other similar Porsches like the 934, Carrera RSR, etc were considerably faster than all of the s30 Z's of the time that I can remember. If you are talking street cars, then the playing field is a lot more even compared to equivalent 911's of the time period. One thing to note though is, in Japan, the kpgc10's (my absolute favorite GTR) with the s20 engine actually put the hurt on or were evenly matched with the racing 911's of the time. Go Datsun!

HS30-H, thanks for standing up for the Porsches. With all of their accomplishments, they deserve some credit/respect.

:classic:

Z's are excellent bang for the buck cars. Hell, I only paid $600 for my 240z and I've seen other's going for $2-3k that are in worse condition! I love the simplicity of the car. No p/s, lightweight, agile, huge engine bay, etc. It's definitely a "driver's car" compared to later z's. It's also one of those few cars that can claim a truly timeless body design that looks great no matter how old it is. For it's time, I can't really think of a single car with as much bang for the buck as the s30 Z.

[Fun_in_my_z]

Were not exactly bashing Porsche. Just the driversLOL

I have seen plenty of Porsches in my life that i would love to have...Non comparing to the Z of course:classic:

But ive personally seen a porsche spyder get taken down hard by a 83 ZX turbo. Dont underestimate the s30. Or newer ZS for that matter.

[1 Bravo 6]

I've always thought that the overall design of the Zed's body was taken mainly from the 911 and, in particular, the E type Jag. (down here it's commonly refered to as "The Poor Man's Jag).

However, has anyone noticed the similarity between the Zed and the Ferrari 275 GTB ???????.

Just thought I'd chuck a spanner in the works.

Rick.

[Fun_in_my_z]

1 Brovo 6. The z was designed to share the jag and the Ferrari GTO.

[1 Bravo 6]

Thanks Bill,

When I first spotted the pic of the 275 GTB, taken side on, I thought I was looking at a customised Zed with the absence of the quarter glass window.

Rick.