Posted March 23, 200024 yr comment_274 3-Car ComparisonSubmitted by John Coffey> I was at a 2 day autocross driving school over the weekend and I had> chance to ride in and drive a number of Solo street prepared 240Zs.> What surprised me was how each one drove differently based on how the> owners had the cars setup. Here's what I observed:> > Car 1> Springs: High rate springs, 25lb difference between front and rear> with the rears stiffer.> Shocks: Tokico Illumina 5 way, set for stiffer rear compression.> Sway bars: Low rate both front and rear.> Tires: 225/50-15 Yoko RS2s.> Differential: LSD with very high breakaway torque.> > Car 2> Springs: Low rate springs, 100lb difference between front and rear> with fronts stiffer.> Shocks: Tokico Illumina 5 way, set for stiffer front compression.> Sway bars: High rate both front and rear.> Tires: 225/50-15 Yoko RS2s> Differential: LSD with very low breakaway torque.> > Car 3> Springs: High rate springs, 75lb difference between front and rear> with the rears stiffer.> Shocks: Tokico Illumina 5 way, set for stiffer rear compression.> Sway bars: Medium rate both front and rear. > Tires: 225/50-15 Yoko RS2s> Differential: Open.> > Car 1 was very balanced while under power and could be easily steered> with the throttle. Very responsive to throttle inputs up to a point,> too much throttle for too long would induce a spin. It did not like> trail braking into a corner (the way Bondurant teaches it) and would> respond with lots of understeer. Turning and braking would also> induce a lot of understeer. Corner entrances would either be perfect> or completely screwed up. The understeer could be fixed with a quick> blip of the throttle and (rarely) with the brakes. Corner exits were> the fastest of the 3 cars (if you did the entrance right) because you> could get the power down early. This car wanted to be driven with the> throttle.> > Car 2 was also very balanced while under power but was more difficult> to steer with the throttle. Preferred to be steered with the brakes.> It liked trail braking into a corner which was the most effective way> to get the back end around. Understeer was prevalent but could easily> be fixed with the brakes or a lot of throttle. Easy to get a good> corner entrance. Corner exits were fast but had to be controlled a> bit with the brake and throttle at the same time. Not too responsive> to the throttle, you had to put your foot into it to get a reaction.> This car seemed to have the typical 240Z handling traits. Overall> balance but you needed to left foot brake to control the understeer.> > Car 3 was biased more towards oversteer especially under power in a> corner. Responsive to gentle throttle inputs but with the open rear> if you went to far, you were gone. Car had a razor edge between power> oversteer and spinning. Understeer was common but could be controlled> with trail braking or throttle. Car was responsive to trail braking> but less so than Car 2. Corner entrances were fast and the car could> be balanced through he corner pretty well. Corner exits were almost> as fast as the other two cars but it was a result of carrying more> speed through the corner. You had to wait a bit before putting the> power down.> > Now... the question is, which of these cars had the fastest time of> the day with the same driver? Let's hear the pundit's guesses...> Next post has the answer........ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/119-3-car-comparison/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 23, 200024 yr Author comment_275 Continued Article -- by John Coffey> For those that are interested, here's the answer:> > Car 1 was the fastest with a time of 60.322 when driven by the driving> instructor!> > But, Car 3 was second with a time of 60.389 and Car 2 was third with a> time of 60.411 with the same guy driving them! Even in autocross> those time differences are fairly small. The person who drove all> three cars owns Car 2 so we can assume he got everything out of that> car that he could. I own Car 1 and my best time of the day was a> 61.312. I also drove Car 2 and my best time in that car was a 63.4xx.> The owner of Car 3 had a best time of 59.7xx and he was the fastest of> all the Z drivers. He didn't drive any of the other cars and was> stuck in the 60.5xx range until he made a heroic last run of the day.> > What were the guesses from the two lists:> > Car 1 - 5 people> Car 2 - 2 people> Car 3 - No guesses> > Sorry, no prizes for the correct guesses.> > What do we learn from this? Probably that there is no one correct way> to setup a suspension for autocross. A good driver can adapt to the> capabilities and foibles of any car and quickly get the most out of> it. There might be more ultimate potential in any one particular car,> but it takes some time and practice to wring it out.> > Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts at the door... Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/119-3-car-comparison/#findComment-275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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