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Many of todays kids are out of control because they don't get a good smack on the azz

Tell me about it.

When i was like 2 or 3 i was braking stuff in a department store.

Dad cought me as i broke a 60 dollor lamp.:tapemouth

He picked me up and laid it to me right there. This woman ran to the phone and called the police.

She didnt say exactly what happened just a disturbance.

The cop came and looked the situation over.

Laughed and patted dad on the back.

Lucky for me the store owner didnt make dad pay for the damages.:tapemouth

I would have been dead along time ago.:dead:

..............and settin down the rules & demanding respect needs to be done early in child rearing. It isn't something that you can start when they reach 8, 10 or 12 when they can really start to get in trouble. By then it is too late and parents would be in for a helluva time.

I've seen it many times, "My children are such angels, sure they sass me, and don't always do what I ask them, but they don't get into real trouble."

Then they reach about 10 or 12 and they become real uncontrollable monsters.

I never knew my biological father, my mom married another guy and they had a daughter, my sister. I was disciplined with an iron fist by my mom but my "dad" wasnt to lay a finger on me. I did some stupid stuff as a teenager and I look back now and wonder what a good "father" role model would have done for me then. My sister got away with murder till she left the house. And she still at 31 years old is irresponsible and unrealiable and does what she pleases with no regrets. I guess I learned a little more than she did growing up. Oh well!

Oh, its my PS2, my kid can get his own with his own money!!!!

Chris

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Originally posted by ChrisA

My sister got away with murder till she left the house.

Do you mean could have got away with murder???? I hope so!!!

My advice (coming from a 19 year old!): dont be TOO strict. The ones who are overprotected and overpunished are the ones who end up depressed and into drugs and all that nasty stuff. Of course, I'm not denying UNDERprotection and no punishment is better. But there's a happy medium. In other words, live like Aristotle!

But no one ever said parenting was easy :classic:

Hey Alfadog, it just one of those Septic sayings!!

You make some good points for a 19 year young!!

Chris

I was about 10 Y.O.

My Grandfather was taking me into town.

We stood, waiting, at the tram stop.

Tram pulls up, people get off, little Rick takes one step forward and WHACK !!!!, in the right ear. With the stars still spinning and the bells ringing, a soft voice in my left ear says, "ladies first".

I was in a shopping centre.

A young woman with a youngster in the trolly was being harrassed by her little ankle bighter at her side.

She'd had enough of his whingeing, bent down and whacked him on the bum, saw me and a worried look appeared on her face.

As I came up to her I said, "Don't worry love, as my Grandmother used to say, 'That's why God gave kids bums'. I left her with a smile on her face but isn't it sad when parents arn't game to discipline their kids for fear of being dobbed in for child abuse???

When we lived in Rockhampton, the neighbours across the road had three sons. The parents didn't believe in hitting their kids.

As each of the sons reached early teens, they became progressively harder to handle. The verbal abuse they shouted at their parents and some neighbours was so bad that I eventually told the boys that if they were ever abusive to my wife they'd answer to me. Consequently, we had no problems with them, they were nice as pie to my wife because they knew I meant what I said.

My point is, discipline is an absolute necessity BUT it must be tempered with lots of T.L.C.

Rick.

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Originally posted by Alfadog

Do you mean could have got away with murder???? I hope so!!!

My advice (coming from a 19 year old!): dont be TOO strict. The ones who are overprotected and overpunished are the ones who end up depressed and into drugs and all that nasty stuff. Of course, I'm not denying UNDERprotection and no punishment is better. But there's a happy medium. In other words, live like Aristotle!

But no one ever said parenting was easy :classic:

very well sayed, and from a 16 year old, as far as getting whipped, or smacked or whatever, to teach respect, that isnt needed to teach respect, respect is something that comes naturally in someone, ive seen alot of friends, hardly ever talk to their parents, becasue of how strict they are, once they were 18, moved out, and hardly ever come back, they were whipped as kids, they dont respect their parents. they come for holidays, thats it! But every once in a while the strik of fear is always good, but nothing like smacking/whipping them sensless, maybe one pop with your hand or something,

but as alfadog said "But no one ever said parenting was easy :classic: "

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Originally posted by brianglawson

....as far as getting whipped, or smacked or whatever, to teach respect, that isnt needed to teach respect, respect is something that comes naturally in someone, ive seen alot of friends, hardly ever talk to their parents, becasue of how strict they are, once they were 18, moved out, and hardly ever come back, they were whipped as kids, they dont respect their parents. they come for holidays, thats it!

Respect is a learned behavior. You learn it by watching others who are respectful.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Chris

I dissagree with those here that advocate physical punnishment, and maybe with some child psychologists. It is never o.k. to punnish and dicipline a child with physical violence. This type of punnishment often comes from the adult's inability to deal with frustrations and the difficulties of child rearing. Children grow and flourish with love, respect and reason. A child becomes who he/she is going to be in the first 7(?) years of life. If you learn that violence is the solution to all problems in your early years, it will likely carry over to your adult years. This is no more that physical abuse People who were abused as children carry many scars.

We learn from an early age by watching TV and films that problems are solved by punching someone out, or pulling a gun on them.

Well, i do not want to go any further with my thoughts or this reply may get edited out of the thread. Better get the Z out from under it's cover and take a drive-nice day for it here.

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Originally posted by ZwolleY

I dissagree with those here that advocate physical punnishment, and maybe with some child psychologists. It is never o.k. to punnish and dicipline a child with physical violence. This type of punnishment often comes from the adult's inability to deal with frustrations and the difficulties of child rearing. Children grow and flourish with love, respect and reason. A child becomes who he/she is going to be in the first 7(?) years of life. If you learn that violence is the solution to all problems in your early years, it will likely carry over to your adult years. This is no more that physical abuse People who were abused as children carry many scars.

Hey Zwolley, I dont think anyone who's responded to this thread "advocates physical punishment" as you put it. We are merely stating how it was for us. I can tell you stories if you'd like but this isnt the place. I do carry the scars of abuse so you're preaching to the choir.

Being married to a great gal who just happens to work for the state's Child Protective Services Department and has a degree in psychology and has worked with abused children for 13 years, I have learned a thing or two about how to raise a child.

Chris

Ive gotten a few scares and bruses from a abusive father myself.

But i have to dissagree with you ZwolleY. There is a difference between punishing a child for his/her actions and abusing them.

I know exactly how it is to be abused, but as Chris says lets not go into that.

As the children are young spanking them isnt that bad of a thing to do, if the situation calls for it.

But as they enter there teens theropy would probably be yoyr next best thing.

Please keep in mind that you are reading this from a 16 year old and dang sure aint got no kids.

"Advocate" was the wrong word to use. Back when I was a youngster, '40's and early '50's I got lots of "spankings". In today's world these are not spankings but physical abuse. If I learned anything, it is that young kids, or any kid, do not deserve it.

A few years ago I witnessed a mother admonishing her daughter, around 5 or 6 years old. The mother told the child that if she did not behave, god was going to come down and hurt her. Now what kind of message is that?

Bill-you sound like a pretty well put together guy.