Ripped off?

[HS30-H]

I agree completely TexasZ I do the same thing all the time. If Tod Kaneko happened to stumble across my site and ask me if I could remove his car from the banner then I would discuss it with him and do what i felt was best.

Gav,

Might I suggest that if this situation arises, you do what Tod Kaneko thinks is best with regard to his photo, and not what you think is best..........

Alan T.

[HS30-H]

I could care less if someone were to use pix I have taken for something on their own site or elsewhere.

There is nothing to stop them, or anyone for that matter, from doing this. All one must do is right click on the image and select Save As, then it's on their computer.

That's fine. I accept that this is inevitable, and if somebody wants to download photos and keep them then there is little harm as far as I am concerned. Its the next step that is the problem.....

Its like buying a book with photos in it. You can use them for your own enjoyment / reference / study etc - but the moment you reproduce them and display them somewhere else, you are technically infringing copyright.

Alan T.

[Corganx33]

So what if I saw your car at a car show... took a picture and posted that on my web page along with a bunch of other pictures I've taken...

Lets say I'm not trying to profit off of anything... I just have a gallery of Z's that I like and wanted to save the pictures of to use as reference on say a restoration....

[Mr Camouflage]

So what if I saw your car at a car show... took a picture and posted that on my web page along with a bunch of other pictures I've taken...

Lets say I'm not trying to profit off of anything... I just have a gallery of Z's that I like and wanted to save the pictures of to use as reference on say a restoration....

You took the photo, you own the copyright. you can do with it as you please.

The problem they guys are trying to highlight here would be more like:

A Photographer (either amature or professional) took a photo (therefore owns the copyright) and someone else came along and by whatever means obtained a copy of the photo, which they then proceded to do whatever with (eg use it on a website, in a book etc) without obtaining consent from the copywright owner.

i.e. someone spent the time and effort to produce something (whether it be 30 seconds or hours producing), and someone else came along ane ripped them off without the owners permission. Like when someone copys a CD. Whether you are trying to profit off it or not is not relevant.

I'm no copyright lawyer, but i believe the photographer would have the copyright of the photo by default.

[TXblue240Z]

The photo of Silver Bullet 240Z, taken from my gallery, is now appearing on wall clocks being sold on EBay........................

well, did you buy one?

[HS30-H]

So what if I saw your car at a car show... took a picture and posted that on my web page along with a bunch of other pictures I've taken...

That's easy. The photos are yours and you can post them where you like.

Lets say I'm not trying to profit off of anything... I just have a gallery of Z's that I like and wanted to save the pictures of to use as reference on say a restoration....

That's easy too. As long as you are using them for your own reference / enjoyment, then no harm is being seen to be done. You can save what you like to your computer. Like I said, its the next step ( "publishing" them ) that can be a problem.

Edit: Exactly, Mr Camouflage! :classic:

[mperdue]

That's fine. I accept that this is inevitable, and if somebody wants to download photos and keep them then there is little harm as far as I am concerned. Its the next step that is the problem.....

Its like buying a book with photos in it. You can use them for your own enjoyment / reference / study etc - but the moment you reproduce them and display them somewhere else, you are technically infringing copyright.

Alan T.

Many of us here do that on a regular basis - scan or photograph bits and pieces of books and literature to use as reference on this site. How does that fit into this? Where do we draw the line?

By the way, I admit I'm also guilty of stealing photos from the web for use on my site. All of the ones that I've taken from this site have been with the permission by the owner of the car/pic but I have stolen a few source pics off of ebay and maybe elsewhere I can't remember. Obviously my site is not for profit - there aren't any ads at all. It's also a reference source. Any thoughts on that? Here's the page I'm referring to: link

[HS30-H]

Many of us here do that on a regular basis - scan or photograph bits and pieces of books and literature to use as reference on this site. How does that fit into this? Where do we draw the line?

"Fair Use" / "Fair Dealing" for the purposes of study, research, criticism or review ( as permitted under the terms of most Copyright law ) is usually seen as covering this type of use.

It is a grey area, all the same. Where we draw the line is a little hard to say, but keeping it within the realms of politeness and respect is probably the best foot to start off on.

By the way, I admit I'm also guilty of stealing photos from the web for use on my site. All of the ones that I've taken from this site have been with the permission by the owner of the car/pic but I have stolen a few source pics off of ebay and maybe elsewhere I can't remember. Obviously my site is not for profit - there aren't any ads at all. It's also a reference source. Any thoughts on that? Here's the page I'm referring to: link

"Hello, my name is Michael, and I have a downloading confession to make...."

I think the intentions of your work are clear ( 'pro bono' = for the common good ) and I can't imagine anyone taking exception to it. But if they do, and the image you used is theirs, then they would be 'in the right'. That's the way I would see it anyway.

It's the "up yours" attitude of some people that rubs me up the wrong way. I asked one guy on another site last year to stop using my photos and pretending they were his, and he told me where to get off. He didn't see it from my point of view at all. There's a lot of it about........ :dead:

Alan T.

[Bambikiller240]

Does the simple act of taking a photo automatically grant you an enforcible copyright to any and all uses of that photo? My (admittedly limited) understanding is that you must legally file for, and be granted a copyright. Am I wrong, or how does it in fact work. If you have a copyright to a photo are you willing to spend the money to enforce it; or is this just another WHINE?

Ethics is a completely different story.

wanna stop people from using your photo's................try

[MikeW]

It's the "up yours" attitude of some people that rubs me up the wrong way. I asked one guy on another site last year to stop using my photos and pretending they were his, and he told me where to get off. He didn't see it from my point of view at all. There's a lot of it about........ :dead:

Alan T.

I completely agree. Clearly if someone makes a copy of your photo they should ask permission before using it publicly. If they refuse to obey your request to stop then I'd say that's bordering on criminal behavior. I used to have an entire book and photography and the law and it's quite clear.

PS - Did you get my PM?

[Bambikiller240]

Mike: What does "bordering on criminal behavior" mean. Is it illegal or not. Laws are generally quite specific as to what is or isn't legal.

[HS30-H]

......are you willing to spend the money to enforce it; or is this just another WHINE?

Yes Carl,

I'm just WHINING.

I don't know why I bother posting on this site anymore.