pls need help with sport brakes 240z 73

[napoleao]

hello i have a 240z 73 it was from my father but he forgot the car in a garage for 20 years he was parked

i restore all the mecanics and puted the motor runing again

the car has only 20.000 km only father diodnt drive too mutch only on sundays with my mother

but after restor all the car i found a prob

i already gone to nissan and they say the front brakes for my car never existed wen the car never got any transformatiopn and its all origin

i found same parts related with these brakes

41060-A1280

41080-68200

41117-84000

these brakes have 4 pistons in each weel not 2

they are sports brakes the last series of 240z got them

that was in portugal that was what i figirue it out

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7926991950&fromMakeTrack=true

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7926991681&category=33563

240Z 280Z Datsun Z NISMO Racing FIA Brake Pads - RARE

240Z 260Z 280Z Datsun FIA Brake Caliper Hardware RARE

these are same parts for this brakes that nissan says it dosent exist

i need the kit of roubers for this

can anyone help me

were can i buy it

the part number for nissan that whould be a big help

any thing whould be great i search all the web for hours i m tired

pls help me

i need this for the brakes

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[HS30-H]

Hi napoleao,

Welcome to the site.

It sounds as though your car is fitted with the SUMITOMO "MK63" four-pot brake calipers. Original part numbers ( for the Ventilated disc version ) were:

*41000-A1281 CALIPER ASSY - Front - Right Hand.

*41010-A1281 CALIPER ASSY - Front - Left Hand.

These were the so-called "FIA" brake calipers, offered in the Nissan 'Sports Option' parts lists in Japan, and through Datsun Competition in the USA.

They were fitted to most of the Works 240Z / 260Z rally cars, most of the Works circuit race 432R and 240ZR race cars, as well as many of the Skyline, Sunny and Violet race cars.

There is a small possibility that you might have the NON ventilated disc version ( check to see if you have solid brake discs, or wider centre-ventilated types to confirm ). The part numbers for the NON ventilated type were:

*41000-A1281 CALIPER ASSY - Front - Right Hand

*41010-A1281 CALIPER ASSY - Front - Left Hand

The seal kits are still available from NISMO in Japan. The kit is the same for both ventilated and non-ventilated types:

*41120-68225 SEAL KIT - DISC BRAKE

( note that you will need one seal kit for each caliper ).

If you have any trouble locating these, please let me know direct and I will do my best to help you.

I have the ventilated MK63s on both of my Z cars. They are a very good upgrade over the standard brakes.

Good luck,

Alan T.

ps: Limited quantities are still available in Japan if you want complete new calipers.

[gema]

Alan, you never cease to amaze me. I couldn't even begin to decipher what he was talking about...

[napoleao]

tks alot for your help

in the nissan were my father bought the car that is the bigst place in portugal of nissan they couldnt help me sayng it didint exist and never eard about it

tks alot for your help realy

if i get in trouble may you help me buy the 2 kits tks alot ?

i will try to put pictures

what is this wire?

if i was wiling to buy a new disk and a new set of brakes to the front what do you advise me and how mutch it whould cost tks for all your help

can i buy trough you ?? i send the money first of course

[napoleao]

i belive the ventiled its the owles in the disk right

my dosent have owles

can you tell me how mutch it costs a complete new calipers tks

sorry about the speling i dint had strait 20 at english

[napoleao]

every litle thin is in jap i cant undrstand nothing in the nimo site

from nissan the kit costs now

now that i got the number tks to you

66 € euros each kit a litle bit expensive but i m glad for had found samething

but i belive i will buy the full brakes insted nissan that didnt has they said

complete new calipers

[HS30-H]

Hi napoleao,

I don't think that you will want to rush into buying new MK63 calipers from Japan when you hear the price. I am sorry to say that they retail at over 80,000 Yen per pair in Japan, and then of course you have to add the cost of shipping and import duty etc......

My advice to you would be to try and repair / recondition the existing calipers. Usually they can be saved even if in quite bad condition, but the pistons tend to get rusty - and it is the high cost of replacement pistons that tends to make people scrap these calipers.

Anyway, first of all I think you should make 100% sure whether your brakes are the VENTED or NON-VENTILATED type. I'm worried that you are not clear about the difference; it can be hard to see if the wheels are in place.

Please take a look at these two photos. They show a VENTILATED type MK63 caliper and disc combination. Please notice that the disc is not 'drilled' - but that it is cast with the ventilation slots in between the two friction surfaces ( 99% of front brake discs on standard road cars are like this nowadays ):

[HS30-H]

Once you have made sure whether you have the ventilated or non-ventilated versions, you can make some other decisions;

If you have the solid, non-ventilated discs then they are the STANDARD discs that came on your car when it was new. This means that you could change back to the standard 2-pot S12 calipers if you wanted to go for a cheap, easy and Factory-stock application. I have some used calipers which I would be happy to give to you should you have trouble locating these in Portugal. You could just bolt on the calipers and still use the existing discs ( if they are in good condition ).

Remember that this will make things far easier for you in the future - as the standard parts are easy to get, easy to look after, and when they are working properly ( with good friction pads ) they are quite adequate for a road car.

If you confirm that you have the VENTILATED version, then things could become more complicated. The discs themselves are no longer available from NISMO or Nissan. Aftermarket versions are available in Japan - but again they are expensive. One alternative is to use a Peugeot disc and re-drill the four hub mounting holes ( I can give you the details for this ).

Buying new MK63 calipers and ventilated discs will be very costly. You might therefore want to consider reverting to the standard brakes.

In any case, the seal / repair kit is the same for vented and non-vented calipers. Maybe you should make the final decisions after stripping your existing calipers and checking the condition of the pistons and piston bores?

The 'wire' that you asked about is just a safety wire that joins the upper and lower "R" clips together. The "R" clips lock the pad retaining rods into the caliper body. Your calipers should have the "R" clips present, but might not have the wire - which is nothing to worry about.

I recommend that you go to your Nissan dealer and push them to get the seal / repair kits for you. They SHOULD be able to get them from Japan for you; they just need to be more creative with their communication to Japan. Don't let them tell you that they "don't exist". I get this all the time here in the UK; the UK Nissan dealers know almost nothing about parts that were available to the Japanese domestic market.

The MK63 caliper was first fitted to the Nissan President limousine in Japan. You can tell them that!

If you still have trouble, then I'll try to help.

Alan T.

[napoleao]

my disk is not that . its the solid disk

i ask about the complete new calipers because maybe maybe it whould be less expensive to have a new complete calipers than pay 132€ just for the kit (at nissan)

i imagine that whould cost me like 300€ a new pair of calipers

80,000.00 JPY Japan Yen = 591.615 EUR Euro

is it possible still get this parts

41060-A1280

41080-68200

41117-84000

its the thing that makes friction with the disk and the wires

in portugal made pression at nissan they will get the kit but the other parts they say its not possible nissan dosent have anymore

Gonçalo Napoleão

[HS30-H]

Hi Goncalo,

OK - we have established that you have the SOLID disc version of the MK63 4-pot caliper.

Please make sure that you quote the part numbers of the SOLID disc version when you are buying parts. Some parts differed between the two versions ( especially the pads ) so please be careful.

The last and most up to date part numbers I have to hand for the pads are:

*41060-RS610 - PAD ASSY BRAKE - FR ( M59S compound ).

These pads are NOT the same as the vented version ( they are shorter and have an angled cut at the front corners ).

The other numbers that you quoted ( from the eBay auction ) should all make sense to Nissan or NISMO in Japan. If your Portuguese Nissan dealer does not recognise them then they do not have the correct information at hand. They need to ask Japan about them. I get this kind of problem here in the UK too.

As far as I am aware, replacements for your non-vented calipers are not available. Only the vented version is available, and even these are in limited supply.

To be honest, I would recommend that you consider reverting to the standard 2-pot caliper that originally came with your car from the Factory. I have a good used pair which I will donate to you. You can bolt these on in place of your existing calipers, and everything will match up. If you use a more modern friction pad material you might even find that they are more effective than your current calipers.

That would be the cheapest and most trouble-free long term solution in my opinion.

Alan T.

[napoleao]

hi Alan

i m starting to agree with you its getting tuff to get replacements for these caliper ,

the normal caliper it's easy to get materials every thing nissan and not nissan parts for that caliper is easy the first shop i wen they gave me the kit for the normal caliper , but wen they saw 1 caliper they got confused

the others is starting to be a pain to get anything

very well :classic:

how mutch i have to pay to you for the caliper and how can i pay you the money

about the pistons in the caliper they are ok very well indeed i thought being stoped for 20 years whould ruin them but no they are ok i clean it with gasoline

could you belive the disk is the one that came with the car and it seems new (weird) (but full of rust i already clean it i almoust can see my face in it after i worked with the car :stupid: )

the motor starts only with a litle carge on the key just a touch less than a second belive me not even a new car starts like that

do you know how much L/km at 100km this car spends

[HS30-H]

Good morning Goncalo,

I'll give the calipers to you. You just have to pay the cost of the postage from London to Portugal. OK?

Send me a Private Message ( PM ) with your postal address, and I'll find out the cost of the postage.

Cheers,

Alan T.