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I am getting ready to get my new z painted and we are gonna remove all the glass , was hoping someone had purchased them from someone as a set and had some expierence with the install as in weither they fir correctly and such espciall with the chrome trim around the front and rear glass, too intense restoration ? midwest z , courtesty ? msa? bv? any help would be greatly appreciated want to make the right purchase to get the car done correctly , thanks in advance JEff

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As far as I know there are only two "suppliers" of weatherseals for 240Z's.

1. OEM Nissan

2. Precision Replacement Parts ( http://www.prp.com/prp/ ) These people make and distribute the non-OEM seals and kits sold by MSA, Vic Brit, Too Intense, ZTherapy, and everyone else that I've heard of.

I will always spend the money for OEM. ALWAYS. Especially for Door Seals. I've heard too many complaints about problems with closing the doors after installing PRP seals. A few people have claimed to have no problems, but many more have related serious issues. It's not worth the gamble for me.

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Thanks Carl, that's good advice. I was eyeballing the "kits" sold by VB and the ones sold on e-bay. The price on those is around $200 bucks. The kit from precision is $487.38. Quite a difference. Haven't bought any yet. I remember the complaints about people not being able to close there door without slamming it. Were those inferior seals?

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The people I talked with indicated that the rubber used to make the PRP seals did not seem to be as compliant (soft) as the OEM seal material. They thought that was themain problem.

$487 seems high for the PRP kit. Was that price on their site or somewhere else? You could buy a lot of OEM seals for that $$$.

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i saw a set datsunrestore.com for 229.95 and that was a16 piece set has anyone used their stuff or know if its actual nissan stuff because all their other stuff is , gonna email them as well but just was seeing id anyone has used them before, thanks

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Carl is right - the rubber is not exactly the same. And with a smirk on my face, I'll say the Nissan rubber seems "less expensive" than the PRP rubber...less dense. I didn't realize repro rubber was all from the same mfgr.

I find that any of the rubber takes a lot time and effort to install. The bends and folds in the shape cannot be simply slapped in and away you go. I think the majority of complaints come from inexperienced installation. New rubber always requires a good deal of adjustment. Lots of time, but I don't have the most experience either!

I like the kits from MSA.

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i saw a set datsunrestore.com for 229.95 and that was a16 piece set has anyone used their stuff or know if its actual nissan stuff because all their other stuff is , gonna email them as well but just was seeing id anyone has used them before, thanks

About a year and a half ago when I was shopping for weatherseals, I called or emailed everyone I could find on the internet that offered seals for 240Z's including "datsunrestore.com" (which is actually "Too Intense Restoration" aka Troy Thacker) and every one of them who would give the manufacturers name indicated that it was from PRP (Precision Replacement Parts). That was about 80% of the people that I contacted.

FYI, some of what Troy sells is made by or for him, at least in terms of upholstery, shift boots, e-brake boots, etc. I have found (in the past) that if he doesn't specify that an item is "Nissan OEM" you had better ask rather than assume. That is not meant as a slam to Troy, it's just my observation from past dealings with his company.

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The people I talked with indicated that the rubber used to make the PRP seals did not seem to be as compliant (soft) as the OEM seal material. They thought that was themain problem.

$487 seems high for the PRP kit. Was that price on their site or somewhere else? You could buy a lot of OEM seals for that $$$.

Yea I got that from there web site.

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How old is the OEM rubber? As much as I agree that OEM rubber probably fits better, I'm concerned about the effects of age even sitting in the shelf. The synthetic materials from Japan that far back I believe are inferior to what is used now. So the trade off may be fit vs material, has anyone evaluated this? I would be interested in knowing.

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....FYI, some of what Troy sells is made by or for him, at least in terms of upholstery, shift boots, e-brake boots, etc......

Let's not disdain this service. Many, MANY parts are RAPIDLY and irretrievably becoming scarcer than unobtanium. That Troy is taking the time to have these reproduced, is an indication of what he is willing to do to support, bluntly, our hobby. Does he expect to make a buck? I would. Do I find that unfair? Not at all as long as I can get a part that will work. In a few years a PROPERLY maintained vehicle, will for a fact, HAVE TO HAVE non OEM parts in order to keep it running simply because the OEM parts are 20+ years old. Just plain old casual driving will eventually require fan belts, brake shoes / pads, tires, and everything else that gets worn out simply by being used. You can try to "restore" some of these parts only to find yourself needlessly spending tons of time and money, when an equal substitute is available.

Personally, I bought my Z to drive and enjoy. If the difference in buying a cloth radiator hose and a plain old aftermarket replacement is more than overnight and a FEW bucks, I choose being able to drive the car.

Unless, of course, you "drive" a trailer queen. If that is your game, then by all means you should be using OEM parts only.

No derision is intended, just that even Concours permits certain replacements without penalty. Which ones or in what manner I am not aware of, other than I have been informed that there are permissions.

.... I have found (in the past) that if he doesn't specify that an item is "Nissan OEM" you had better ask rather than assume. That is not meant as a slam to Troy, it's just my observation from past dealings with his company.

I think this is good advice regardless of where or whom you buy from.

Having never had that experience in the dealings I've had with Troy, nor found him to try to imply that the parts WERE Datsun parts, I'll take exception to Carl's observation without malice toward Carl. Simply put, we all have different manners and forms of dealing with people, and sometimes we find someone that interacts with us in a less than pleasant manner. That I've always had good transactions with Troy, versun anyone who may have had a bad one are not necessarily indications that you will have the same experience as either one.

Having said that, let me say that we should ALL heartily promote ANYONE that endeavours to produce, have produced, or can obtain the information on those items that will help us keep these babies of ours on the road. I intend to drive my car for a LONG LONG time, and to do so, I need everyone else who enjoys these cars to also be helping keep these people in business.

Although there will be some who will say this is a plug for a specific vendor, it isn't. It is a plug for ALL our vendors.

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Enrique

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Enrique:

I was not being critical of Troy's business in this thread. I was correcting the statement that said :

"i saw a set datsunrestore.com for 229.95 and that was a16 piece set has anyone used their stuff or know if its actual nissan stuff because all their other stuff is" ....

I never said anything about him making a buck or not; but like all businessmen his choice to reproduce stuff is certainly not motivated solely by a desire to "support our hobby". Make no mstake (and again this is not a criticism) he's in it to make a buck also, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also, I never implied that Troy implies things are OEM when they are not. My statement was (in light of seerex's incorrect statement) simply that one cannot assume that everything is OEM. And, absolutely my statement applies to EVERY vendor out there. Troy has been pleasant when I've delt with him also, I never said, or implied he wasn't.

I haven't found much wrong with the "new" items I have acquired from Troy either, the point of my post was that seerex's statement was incorrect, and that one should not assume the origin of items from Troy (who's business was mentioned) or anyone else.

Many businesses will state flatly the origin of their parts. "Repro", "Aftermarket", "OEM" are often stated in the description. If it isn't, that is a red flag for me to ASK!

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