Your thoughts wanted, preservation/restoration?

[26th-Z]

Carl,

I disagree with you. I thought we were talking about #1 car values and your example is not a #1 car. No matter.

I also disagree with you about Black Pearls being sold without the stripes. If what you say is correct, then ZCCA rules would indicate that the stripes as a dealer installed feature would not be stock. Same apply for the ZZap?

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[Carl Beck]

Chris Wrote:

>Carl,

>I disagree with you. I thought we were talking about #1 car values

>and your example is not a #1 car. No matter.

Hi Chris (everyone):

I numbered my examples, only so that they could be referred back to, later in that Post. Didn't mean to indicate that the example I numbered #1, inferred a #1 Condition car (it certainly wasn't written that way, with stone chips and door dings etc.).

Everything I put in the example numbered "1", would apply to the green Z in the URL with the exception of slightly higher mileage and California rather than AZ car. (of course it sold for slightly less also).

>Chris continued:

>I also disagree with you about Black Pearls being sold without the stripes.

I would of course be interested to know the basis for your disagreement.

I can only tell you that I was at the Datsun Dealership here in Clearwater, when friends of mine working there at the time, were attempting to install the strip kits from the Sport Appearance Package (SAP) on one of the Black Pearls they received.

>If what you say is correct, then ZCCA rules would indicate that the stripes

> as a dealer installed feature would not be stock. Same apply for the ZZap?

Are you sitting down?.... Not only were the stripe kits installed (or screwed up) at the Dealership - the entire Sport Appearance Package was. That included not only the stripe kits, but the Racing Mirrors and the Rear Sun Shade.

Even more shocking, you may find the fact that not all Black Pearl Edition 280-Zs came with the SAP. Some had only the $90.00 Black Pearl Paint option (thus were sold with no strips, no racing mirrors, no rear sun shade).

I put a copy of the Dealer Notification Sheet/PR Release and a copy of a window sticker for a Black Pearl on the Z Car Home Page a few years ago.

http://zhome.com/History/BlackP.htm

If your interpretation of the ZCCA rules were correct.. ie. that anything "installed by the Dealer" would not be considered "stock" -then the carpets and hubcaps aren't stock either, as they also came packed in the cargo area and also had to be "installed" by the Dealer.

Nissan Motors Inc. USA put the SAP kit together here in the USA. The Shade Kit, which also included the Racing Mirrors was produced here in the USA and sold as a separate item over the parts counter, likewise the racing mirrors could be purchased individually (starting back in 72).

The ZZAP-Zzzz decal package was produced here in the USA and I'm pretty sure installed by Distribution And Auto Services Inc. (DAS) at the Port of Los Angeles. They did the 79 280ZX-R package as well, along with many other "specials" (decal packages and special paint schemes) for the North American Market... such as the NFL Team promotional cars.

Nissan Port Operations and DAS played a major role in the factory distribution process set up to provide the end customer with the cars they wanted, where they wanted them here in the USA.

I think that for the ZCCA to be consistent in their definition of "stock"... they would have to say that stock is defined as; as the car and all items included by Nissan, arrived at the Authorized Dealer.

BTW -- DAS installed "Port" A/C for example in the 260Z and 280Z's. The quickest way to tell the difference between Port A/C and the A/C installed at the factory in Japan, was to look at the fan speed selector switch in the dash. The Port A/C had a 3 spd. fan while the A/C installed in Japan had a 4sp. fan.

And where did that "Black Pearl" paint come from you may ask?... a spray booth at the Port????..... no, no, no tell me that can't be true...!!

FWIW,

Carl

Carl Beck

Clearwater,FL USA

http://ZHome.com

[JLPurcell]

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