Moving t he Air Temp Sensorto the Intake

[Bambikiller240]

You know every good idea starts with a "what if..." That part requires NO research. The thing is to pose the question, THEN do research or figure out if something can be done, or how the idea should be changed to be more successful.

That is true, tho I question the forum you chose to pose the question. Wouldn't any response be more valid if given by an EFI expert (I mean a REAL expert, not a garage expert?

In the example of the headlight relays, it wasn't known that the relays would definitely improve things. Notuntil somebody tried it.

I'm not sure about this statement either, but if think that's the case, OK

Will is trying different l.e.d.s to see which one(s) will do the job he wants. That's the research part. Then he'll probably share his findings, or maybe put a developed product for sale.

That's just it, he's DOING something. He grabbed the bull by the horns and is working on a solution.

I have other ideas I'm working on, and things with higher priorities, so I'm not going to use that time for this idea. Maybe later.thx

So, then the point of this thread was..................nothing?

[TomoHawk]

Maybe you can explain why my new car has the temperature sensor on the air box, and not in the throttle body or the air flow meter.

If I knew of an EFI forum, I might ask there. I don't know of any, and there seems to be many people here who seem to be experts on the stuff.

Like I said, this is just an idea I have on the list, so when I get to it, I'll be DOING some experiments. The point right now is to gather INFORMATION.

thx

[EScanlon]

...snip.. In the example of the headlight relays, it wasn't known that the relays would definitely improve things. ....snip

You're forgetting the original timeline. The relays were arrived at after several other methods of re-routing the flow THROUGH the combination switch were tried and failed.

The Relays were a logical choice, but the problem was in how to install and actuate them without major changes to the electrical system in the car. Most cars manufactured now use the relay method, but it is an integral part of their circuitry. What Dave did was to formulate an idea : Incorporate the Relay System so that it plugs right into the existing wire harness. Then he did his research : checked what value of relay and fuses and connectors would be required. And lastly, made it available. I bought two for my cars.

You keep asking other people to attempt your ideas, but haven't yet posted a single one that YOU have tried and succeeded at. Maybe it's because you haven't been able to communicate the idea well.

So, like my prior post.....go do it. Polish your idea, do your research and then experiment until you succeed.

Until you do that, expect others to be not only skeptical but downright incredulous at your ideas. Too often it seems that you propose an outlandish idea without any supporting THOUGHT let alone facts. Then when everyone ballyhoo's it, you claim to be too busy to try it yourself.

Maybe if you didn't try to reach so far with your ideas you might actually come up with one that would be credible to others and maybe even work well.

Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. It really doesn't get more round, nor will changing it's shape make it better.

2¢

Enrique

[sblake01]

New cars also use MAFS not AFM's. And a lot of other newer technology. I would rather run my nearly thirty year old fuel injected cars with the technology they were built with, rather than tinker with things in the attempt to find something better. That's just me. You do what you want. Expert? Not by any means but I can keep my cars running. I really dont think you'll gather much information here. There has been threads on using a MAFS instead of an AFM but that would require an entirely different type of engine management than you or I presently have in our cars. I'm happy with mine the way it is. You would seem not to be. Try it. Let us know how it comes out. I really can't see you gaining anything by just moving the air temp sensor but if you did eliminate the one in the AFM you would probably need a different type of sensor to put it in the plenum and a different type of system to know what to do with the information it senses.

[Bambikiller240]

Maybe you can explain why my new car has the temperature sensor on the air box, and not in the throttle body or the air flow meter.

Maybe because the system was designed with the intention for that part to be there? Possible? Or maybe the janitor altered the technical drawings overnight as a joke?

Like I said, this is just an idea I have on the list, so when I get to it, I'll be DOING some experiments. The point right now is to gather INFORMATION.

Did you get enough information? You also got some advice which should be helpful.

[TomoHawk]

You keep asking other people to attempt your ideas, but haven't yet posted a single one that YOU have tried and succeeded at.

I don't recall asking anybody to try anything. Anybody is welcome to try and let us all know what happened. I have asked to see what has been done, or to collect facts about an idea. I've tried some ideas I've thought of; all of them successful so far. Maybe you just don't know where to look to see what I did do- if you have looked.

[Bambikiller240]

Yeah, right! 24 layer AFDB required, at least!

[sblake01]

That's it for me tonignt! I'm going to bed.

[EScanlon]

I don't recall asking anybody to try anything. Anybody is welcome to try and let us all know what happened. I have asked to see what has been done, or to collect facts about an idea. I've tried some ideas I've thought of; all of them successful so far. Maybe you just don't know where to look to see what I did do- if you have looked.

Tomo, you ALWAYS imply that others should try your ideas. You post your idea as if it were a complete concept that's been thoroughly debugged when in fact you're just spitting out whatever you just regurgitated.

Every single time you chime in with one of your new Goldberg ideas, you suggest that they try it to fix their problem.

You're right as far as anybody being welcome to try, that's just personal choice. The biggest problem however, is that your solutions sometimes are not only NOT thought out, but defy physics, gravity and all known methods of production. When people entertain your thought with serious discussion, it becomes apparent that YOU have no idea on how to get it to work. That's not being helpful.

Sometimes the best help you can be is to simply NOT get involved.

As far as asking what has been done, that's not what you ask. You ask:

wouldn't it be a good idea to move the temp sensor from the AFM to someplace in the large chamber of the Intake?

That does not say:

"Has anybody relocated their temp sensor from the AFM? And if so, where did you put it and why?"

When people DO answer, you then denigrate what they did because it isn't what you would have done, regardless of the fact that you have yet to do it.

So, back to the original post, go try it. Don't bother asking what others have done, you seem to know all the answers before the questions are posed. Share with us your successes and not your pipe dreams.

Maybe like your solution for the Hatch Release mechanism we could all learn how to totally re-engineer the car.

Enrique

P.S. I've YET to see anything about any item that you've posted here, that was successful. If you invented a new type of tiddly-wink, I don't know about it, but then again it's not something I would have done research on.

[Bambikiller240]

That's it for me tonight! I'm going to bed.

[panchovisa]

Tomohawk, yes your origional post number 1 had a good thought. My question would be, how much time does the "cooler" air spend on the intake before the engine consummes it?

Not much time, surely not enough to raise the temperature much, and most definetly the temperature rise was figured into the origional factory settings.

Benefit to moving it, none that I can think of. Downside to moving it, you will find out when you have time to get to this project. Keep us posted.

[TomoHawk]

I think if you did remove te temp sensor, the ECU would (go nuts) or just give you the wrong mixcture, depending on what temperature corresponds to an open circuit (infinite ohms resistance).

thx