Kamenari Fultra?

[Derrick072]

Do you guys know anything about the KMENARI Fultra system?what the benefits are using it?I seen one for sale ,the whole distributor with some other stuff.looked new .Does anyone have one of these?

[Derrick072]

I meant KAMENARI or KAMINARI not sure about the spelling

[e_racer1999]

i was unable to find the kaminari "fultra" kit, but kaminari's 240z kit is discontinued. still available most places though. of you haven't yet, check out the aero kits at motorsportauto.com.... go to "online store" at the top of the browser...

p.s. you can edit your post if you misspelled something or need to change something.... just a tip

pps.... here's the link http://www.kaminari.com/products/240_260_280Z.htm

[kuruptONE]

I think derrick was talking about the Kameari (Japanese Tuner Parts) dizzy (either point or electronic). Check this site out it might help you http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~kyuusya/index-3.htm ; its the site to Pitroad and they distribute Kameari products. Go down to L-Engine Catalog. I didn't really see anything about a "Fultra" distributor, but you can check it out for yourself. It's all in Japanese and I can't decipher it.

[jmortensen]

There is no distributor available that will keep up with distributorless ignition, purely because there are no crank and distributor gears to cause lash and change the timing. DIS is only marginally more expensive than a new Mallory distributor, and I would guess cheaper than the Kameari setup. It takes a lot more setup for the DIS, and you have to make a bracket for the sensor and mount the trigger wheel to the balancer, but there isn't much reason to go with an aftermarket distributor anymore IMO. If you want to keep a distributor or the rules require one, the ZX EI distributor with a MSD system works pretty good. It already has a pretty decent mechanical advance curve from the factory.

[e_racer1999]

^^DIS is definitely superior

[HS30-H]

.....Does anyone have one of these?

I have one.

The KAMEARI distributor kit includes an ULTRA electronic ignition unit. Ultra have been making electronic ignition systems since the late Sixties, and have a pretty good name in Japan.

The distributor body itself is a special casting, and has improved internals over the Nissan ( Hitachi ) Electronic distributor, but the Nissan cap is interchangeable. One of the good things about buying a new distributor is that it will of course be more accurate than an original ( often worn out ) unit with tens of thousands of miles on it.

If you live in Japan, then the Kameari kit is a reasonable price and kills more than two birds with one stone.

[EricB]

Since we're talking about this I had a question that went unanswered on their Q&A section.

So from their catalog on Pitroad's website, in the "High Performance Ignition" section:

_ The most expensive MDI unit priced at 65000yen is ONLY a coil unit - it does not replace the distributor. It is meant to be used with a stock distributor?

_ The second most expensive unit at 54000yen and which Alan pictured above is coil pack AND distributor.

_ The least most expensive unit at 35000yen is the coil pack from above along with parts needed to upgrade a stock distributor to use this coil pack (as opposed to getting the bespoke one above).

Did I get it all correctly?

If so can someone explain the difference between the MDI and the cheapest unit?

Is the MDI just a Japanese equivalent to our MSD ignition boxes like say an MSD 6A unit?

I see these MDI/CDI units all the time in Japanese mags without honestly knowing if they are exactly the same as our MSD or not... Will someone (Alan?) enlighten me please?

-e

[HS30-H]

The Pit Road site annoys me because they simply scanned the Kameari catalogue pages and stuck them up on their website. Most of the prices are now actually out of date.....

Basically you are looking at two different types of ULTRA ignition system there:

Ultra's CDI ( Capacative Discharge Ignition ) is actually a licensed version of the Lumenition system, with an optical trigger replacing the points in the stock distributor. You can buy this system on its own.

Kameari's Ultra CDI + Kameari distributor kit combines the Ultra CDI with Kameari's own distributor casting and improved internals - with it's obvious benefits over a tired stock distributor. This is the kit I have and which I pictured above.

The Ultra MDI ( Multiple Discharge Ignition ) system is another step up in ignition power that can be utilised in combination with the above systems if desired.

Don't ask me to compare any of this to the MSD parts, as I know next to nothing about them I'm afraid.

See the wiring diagram scans below, which I hope will explain the method of use and the combinations much better than I can myself:

[EricB]

Alan,

I know I repeat myself but once again thank you...

I really have to run into you somewhere and buy you several rounds of drinks...

-e

[EricB]

When we were talking about this last week I sent Alan's scans to a Japanese designer friend of mine & fellow car nut at Mazda in Yokohama. Even back in my Engineering school days I had a profound aversion for all things Electrical Engineering related and as I recall nearly failed my basic Circuits class. With that said here's his email back to me verbatim:

"Eric,

I think i figured it out.

The scan you sent me is not CDI or MDI. They are both hyper ignition Sytem by Nagai Denshi.

The one with MDI shows how to add MDI on top of Hyper Ignition System.

correct diagram for MDI is this

http://www.nagaidenshi.co.jp/IGNITION/9500_9600/haisen9500.gif

and CDI is this

http://www.nagaidenshi.co.jp/IGNITION/9800/haisen.gif

I looked at their website www.nagaidenshi.co.jp

and seems like there are

1.Semi Transistor

2.Full Transistor

3.Hyper Ignition System

4.CDI

5.MDI

1 and 2 are transistor ignition for point type ignition system.

Semi still uses points to pick up the signal but it doesnt use high current on the points. the transistor amplifies the voltage.... kinda like relay.

Full transistor doesnt use contacting points. It picks up the signal without actually touching the points, therefore more precise and no wear on the points.

these two are the basic ignition mods and less expensive.

3. Hyper Ignition System is for point type ignition system too. not sure what this is.

seems like this is an evolution of the semi or full transistor.

4. CDI is for point ignition car too. It uses capacitor instead of transistor.

5. MDI is the top of the line and its a multispark system. MDI works with newer cars as well as old cars.

for example this MDI kit is for Honda B16, B18 engines

http://www.nagaidenshi.co.jp/IGNITION/mdi_9680.shtml

I dont really know much about ignition system and never touched nostalgic heros so i might be telling wrong thing.

hope it helps a bit

-Yohei"

[HS30-H]

....."The scan you sent me is not CDI or MDI. They are both hyper ignition Sytem by Nagai Denshi."......

Eric,

'Nagai Denshi' is the parent company ( Oyagaisha ) that manufacures the 'Ultra' ignition systems and componentry.

The scans that I posted are the instructions that I received with the CDI and MDI systems that I purchased from Ultra. If you look at the bottom of the page it even says 'Nagai Denshi' in big letters.

You asked about the ignition system components on the PITROAD website ( scans from the KAMEARI catalogue ) and that's what I posted about. Not the full 'Ultra' lineup.

Alan T.