The R380 outside Japan

[g72s20]

While not exactly Z history, this relates to the Prince, then Nissan R380, and by association, the PS30 or Fairlady Z 432. The test bed for what would develop into the S20 engine. Original version was named the GR8. Original Prince R380 started as a Brabham BT8 chassis No.SC 9 1964. Records from 1993,(See here)indicate it is still retained by the original purchaser (Now Nissan?)

I believe the very successful trip to Surfers Paradise in 1969 by Nissan/Datsun with the R380 MkIII was the only foray outside japan for any of the R380 series.

The last four paragraphs of the last page sum it up. (Well DUuhh! Jim :stupid: )

Some early Datsun racing

Just a bit of historic trivia on the Nissan R381 open cockpit version that run and won the 1968 Japan GP. The developing V12 GRX engine was not going to be ready by race day, so the ever practical development team ordered a few Dean "MOON" as in SoCal "MOON equipped" built Chevy small blocks, prepped 'em... and stuck 'em in!...and won. I think that's cool!!

The older R380 Mk III came in 3,4,5,.. with a 910 Porche in 2nd.

Well we've wandered well and truly off the Z path, but I hope you still find this entertaining ?!

Jim.

[26th-Z]

Not really far off at all, Jim. If you study the development of the S30, you will eventually come to these cars and the racing program. "With the Prince merger confirmed, Nissan decided to cancel its own A680X sports racer project in favor of developing the Prince R380 still further"; Long, Datsun Z, 1998. This is Datsun's sports pedigree.

For those who wish to surf, the photo gallery has quite a few pictures of these cars in the Nissan museum.

[g72s20]

Hey thanks Chris,

I was looking at how we ended up with talk of how a hotrodded chevy small block out of Southern California fits in with the Z car story....hey! there it is!! wasn't Datsun California part of the skunkworks that dragged the 240Z into the world :stupid:

don't pay too much attention to me at the moment....trying to get over nightshift :sleep:

Jiiimm...zzzz

[g72s20]

I was unaware of the A680X Chris, but apparently this issue (dec.1995) of Nostalgia hero has some info on it. Anybody seen it? got it to share?

[HS30-H]

I believe the very successful trip to Surfers Paradise in 1969 by Nissan/Datsun with the R380 MkIII was the only foray outside japan for any of the R380 series.

Hi Jim,

Nice links!

Nissan took R380-series race cars to South America and South Africa too.

I sent Lincoln Small some information and photos about the Brabham BT8 ( chassis no. SC-9 ) owned by Prince / Nissan, but he never acknowledged receipt and hasn't updated the pages for a long time.

Some relevant photos and info posted on this thread ( from around post no.50 onwards ) back in 2003: Nissan's collection of old cars

Don't fret about this subject being 'OT' Jim. It most certainly isn't.

Cheers,

Alan T.

[g72s20]

G'day again Alan,

I also was in contact with Lincoln Small re the first R380 and it's BT8 connection. I sent him a few quality pics. His last email said it was rumored 12 BT8 chassis' were sent to Prince Motors, but this could not be confirmed. His last email was Lincoln Small . My last contact was Feb. 2004.

South Africa you say? Interesting!

Was the R382 GRX V12 basically 2 S20s' grafted at the crank?..but 5.9 litre? I read Shinichiro Sakurai had a twin turbo version set up on a work bench!!

Is there any good info out there on the R383 or this earlier Nissan A680X project?

I think I can dig up a few more titbits on the 380 lineage, be a few days though.

Catch ya then eh?

Jim.

[HS30-H]

Was the R382 GRX V12 basically 2 S20s' grafted at the crank?..but 5.9 litre? I read Shinichiro Sakurai had a twin turbo version set up on a work bench!!

Is there any good info out there on the R383 or this earlier Nissan A680X project?

Hi Jim,

The GR8 and GRX shared some design details ( especially in the cylinder head design ) but it is probably not fair to call the GRX anything other than a quite different design to the GR8. Of course, they were related.

Car Graphic released an excellent book on the R380-series racers in the 1980s. It has fold-out blueprint sections on the cars and engines, and is quite a production. They don't fit on my scanner......

The A680X - the great missing link! Here's a couple of pics from 1966:

[ChrisA]

Thanks for those A680X pictures Alan. Anyone else besides me notice how the cowl panel, windscreen, and quarter windows all resemble a certain other Nissan vehicle (S30 if you need a hint).

Alan, do you suppose there is any direct relationship between this prototype and the S30 cars? Maybe its just me but I sure see a Fairlady in there. Look at how the A pillar comes down to the front wing. Its almost a dead ringer. The roof line is very similar too.

Missing link indeed!

Thanks,

Chris

[g72s20]

Before I read your post Chris, I thought the same thing, but didn't feel game enough to say it :nervous:

Thanks Alan, I've only seen a few pics of the V12 engines. I thought the Cam covers looked just like those of the S20. I don't think I have a pic of the GR8 out of a chassis, but what I could see didn't resemble anything else I've seen. The GR8 has a seperate cover for each cam?

Is that Car Graphic book available...hard to come by....or "forget it!" ?

Thanks for the pics of the A680X. I think they were lucky Sakurai came along :cheeky: !!

Jim.

[NZeder]

Alan you don't happen to have the ISBN of the Car Graphic book? I would love to get my hands on a copy - I have always loved the history behind the R380 and the prince engine developments. Only if I had an enless supply of $$ I can se the R380 (replica would do) next to my Z in the garage (and while I am dreaming how about a track car = R390)

[Zedrally]

I'm glad others have noticed the striking similarity in design.

When I first noticed the thumbnails, the same thought went through my mind.

Any details on who designed this & was there any relationship to the S30 design team?

[HS30-H]

I've only seen a few pics of the V12 engines. I thought the Cam covers looked just like those of the S20. I don't think I have a pic of the GR8 out of a chassis, but what I could see didn't resemble anything else I've seen. The GR8 has a seperate cover for each cam?

Some pics of a GRX engine taken on the Nissan display stand of the 1969 Tokyo Auto Show. See our 'little friend' in the background of the first shot - the Fairlady Z432-R: