MSA BRE rear spoiler-heads up

[HS30-H]

71ZZZZZ the 432 rear spoiler is the same as a rear BRE spoiler.

Les Cannaday told me that the 432 rear spoiler is the Nissan factory spoiler.

Regardless, lots of research into building my BRE replica, Peter used the Nissan factory spoiler from the Z432. THE "BRE" Spoiler and the Z432 spoiler ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.

I meant to pose this statement as a question. And thanks to Ron and Brian it has been answered.

Actually, they are still getting it wrong - while you got a bullseye right here:

The BRE cars used the 432R spoiler, so, in reality there really is no such thing as a BRE spoiler.

CLARIFICATION:

Fairlady Z432 ( PS30 ) = No Factory-fitted spoiler.

Fairlady Z432-R ( PS30-SB ) = Factory-fitted spoiler.

The ribbed rear spoiler, first seen on the 'PZR' model that was previewed by the Japanese press before the 1969 Tokyo Auto Show, was available as a special 'Option' on ALL the Japanese domestic model S30-series Z cars up to late 1971.

Calling it a "432 spoiler" is incorrect. Calling it a "432-R spoiler" would be correct.

Ain't nitpickin' fun!

Alan T.

( Today's self-appointed Stickler-In-Chief ).

Picture: First 'public' view of the Factory rear spoiler......

[sblake01]

It's a great feeling to be right. (It would have been an even better feeling had I known that I was!) :surprised

[240Zdragon72]

I should change my cardomain list to be correct with the 432-R spoiler. Good gee-wiz info.

[GunnerRob]

Picture: First 'public' view of the Factory rear spoiler......

Just out of curiousity, why are there black bars over the men's eyes in that photo? Were they afraid their wives might find out they were at a Z car presentation instead of a strip club?

[Ron Carter]

GunnerRob stole my thunder....LOLz

Z432 -R noted....

[cremmenga]

Why is it that more and more now we are finding Z parts made half-arse? Most of the MSA exhaust system don't fit good and hang low, some Victoria British's body parts require extra fabrication/modification to fit, and so-on. Why is it with the Z parts aren't made to the same tollerance levels as other cars? Like, you buy a Honda body kit, it fits perfect 99.9999% of the time. Same with an exhaust system or other part. It's just odd.....

Dave

Oh great so the $1500 I just blew on body panels are sh*t??

[v12horse]

Nice photo Alan. That car looks like an early base model Fairlady Z, but it looks like a Z432-R as well. I see the lack of chrome trim on the windows, no rain drop gutter, detrimmed bumper, steel wheels with no wheel trims, the spoiler, orange color, lack of defroster, and the twin pipe system which all point to it being a PZR. However, it has the woodrim steering wheel, no 432 emblem, and the side stripe(This could have been an option on a z432r?). I thought that all PZR's had the Competition steering wheel. What gives Alan? Thanks for the picture. It is very interesting to see the period pictures.

-Ben Yount

[Ron Carter]

Hmm, I would not say that. But I would expect that some extra work will be involved on a 30+ year old car.

[HS30-H]

Just out of curiousity, why are there black bars over the men's eyes in that photo? Were they afraid their wives might find out they were at a Z car presentation instead of a strip club?

Just a little in-joke between myself and I.

Nice photo Alan. That car looks like an early base model Fairlady Z, but it looks like a Z432-R as well. I see the lack of chrome trim on the windows, no rain drop gutter, detrimmed bumper, steel wheels with no wheel trims, the spoiler, orange color, lack of defroster, and the twin pipe system which all point to it being a PZR. However, it has the woodrim steering wheel, no 432 emblem, and the side stripe(This could have been an option on a z432r?). I thought that all PZR's had the Competition steering wheel. What gives Alan?

Hi Ben,

You spotted most of the PZR-specific details that are visible from the photo.

Lack of '432' emblem on the rear is - ironically considering above posts - due entirely to the fact that the 432-R was fitted with the rear spoiler. Seems they never really did figure out a place to put the '432' emblem on the rear....

The '432' emblems were still fitted to the bottom of the front wings ( fenders ) though.

The stripe kit was fitted to this particular car - but not that many others it seems.

The 'wood' rim steering wheel was fitted as standard equipment on the PZR, and was the same as those fitted to the other contemporary Japanese market models ( note: these steering wheels were different to the 'Export' models, as they had a deeper 'dish' ).

Cheers,

Alan T.

[bpilati]

Hey Brian,

Just checked out your gallery, is the paint on your 8/71 original? Curious about the muffler also...or actually twice pipes?...Your ride looks to be in really good shape! I'm curious why yours doesn't have the chrome bars on top of the overriders in the front and on the rear? My 4/71 came with those, I thought it was for crash safety regulations..was that only in California?

The paint you see in the photo is not original. The previous owner had the car painted in 1985 with a Glasurit acrylic enamel. The exhaust is a dual muffler at the back of the car (not twice pipes) and is a Monza or Targa exhaust tip if I remember. I could be wrong on the brand (came with the car). The bumper overriders were accessories and not standard. Those overriders are for looks, they would not add much crash safety, except maybe to keep you from bumping the tip of the hood. My ride is current an ugly patchwork of black primed rust repair patches. I'm too ashamed to show it.

[Steve Parmley]

Using my ex-Soviet photo black bar decoder I was able to identify three of the main players in HS30-H's historic photo. Left to right- Pete Brock, Ron Carter and John Morton! This certainly muddies the which came first BRE or 432R water.

[240Zdragon72]

That is pretty good.