Removing Over-spray on dash

[montoya_fan01]

Not trying to argue with you, and not doubting your experience, but not everyone has had the same "issues" that you have found with Armorall. My dad and uncles say they have used it on the custom hotrods and classic restorations they have built since the early 70's which are stored through the winter every year without care due to the cold weather here.

Sorry but it all sounds like advertising / salesmanship in website statements made (more so from Meguires, but also from Armorall to a degree) Still, no PROOF as I define PROOF.

Do you really think Meguires is the only company to update their products over the years? Armorall just stuck with the recipe they used in the 60's and 70's while their competitors reacted to the newer materials used in cars made since then?

Look, feel and smell can be manipulated and memories do not constitute PROOF of anything.

By the way, the Meguires data indicates that they use silicones and that they are inert and safe. Yet your earlier post indicated that silicones are not appropriate for use on vinyl. I'm a little confused about that.

My bottle of Armorall has "Satisfaction Guaranteed" printed on the label and it also says "Armorall will help protect materials in good condition, but will not restore materials which are already damaged."

After saying all of this, I'll also say that I use some Meguires products and haven't found one that doesn't work well. But my family has used Armorall for a long time also and hasn't found a problem with it either. Both companies have been in business for a long time and are still in business. Meguires is older, but does that matter? I doubt they are currently selling what they manufactured 100 years ago, and I doubt Armorall is selling their original recipe after 50 years either.

You are welcome to your opinion, but i don't think it is any more than that.......same as mine.

still wanting proof, real proof.

[Marty Rogan]

Many thanks to those who responded to my ORIGINAL question. Sounds like some good things to try.

Marty

[Marty Rogan]

Many thanks to those who responded to my ORIGINAL question. Sounds like some good things to try.

Marty

[EScanlon]

Not trying to argue with you, and not doubting your experience, but not everyone has had the same "issues" that you have found with Armorall. My dad and uncles say they have used it on the custom hotrods and classic restorations they have built since the early 70's which are stored through the winter every year without care due to the cold weather here.

...snip...Still, no PROOF as I define PROOF.

Do you really think Meguires is the only company to update their products over the years? ...snip...

Look, feel and smell can be manipulated and memories do not constitute PROOF of anything.

By the way, the Meguires data indicates that they use silicones and that they are inert and safe. Yet your earlier post indicated that silicones are not appropriate for use on vinyl. I'm a little confused about that.

My bottle of Armorall has "Satisfaction Guaranteed" printed on the label and it also says "Armorall will help protect materials in good condition, but will not restore materials which are already damaged."

...snip...But my family has used Armorall for a long time also and hasn't found a problem with it either...

You are welcome to your opinion, but i don't think it is any more than that.......same as mine.

still wanting proof, real proof.

I didn't doubt for a minute that you would NOT consider anything I posted as PROOF.

While you insist on documented, scientific testing provided by some authority accepted by you, you accept HEARSAY as the basis of your "knowledge". Your Dad's and your uncle's experience says that in the period of time that they worked with a car, they had no problem. The problems with Armor All aren't due to one time use, or even a half-dozen. It is in the NON-REGULAR use of it. I have seen vehicles where the owners have been very dilligent and methodical in always cleaning, vacuuming and detailing their vehicles on a REGULAR basis. Their vinyl surfaces look good, a bit greasy and "shiny" for my taste, but otherwise in good condition.

I would be interested to see how many of the cars your Dad and Uncle worked on, have by now, exhibited cracks on their vinyl surfaces, due to using Armor All. And on the ones that haven't, do they have documented proof as you request, that they have in fact been using Armor-All?

Since your Dad and Uncle have been building Custom Hot Rods and doing Restorations, what magazine have they had their showcase pieces in? I worked for a gentleman in Iowa who, at the time that I worked for him, had already had 3 different cars in 3 different magazines, at least twice each. When I worked with him, he was working on his 3rd version of his 68 Camaro, and had already received advance notice from a couple magazines interested in doing a photo layout. Mijo, as he liked to be called, HATED Armor-All.

Myself, I have had 3 cars that I have owned and treated with Armor All. Two were before I worked with Mijo, and the last was while and after I worked for Mijo. ALL of them ended up with cracked vinyl, within a few weeks of not having their regular "fix".

On the cars that I have worked on, I can cite at least one that goes back to 1986 that has had it's dash cared for WITHOUT using Armor All, and STILL has a dash in good condition. But I guess that still wouldn't be proof for you as it does rely on the owner's memory.

As far as companies updating their products, they do, but not if there is no need to do so. That it causes dashes to crack is not a worry to them, their liability is limited to the price of the bottle of Armor-All they sold you. Read your "Satisfaction Guaranteed" warranty and you will note that they WILL NOT pay for damages their product causes....period...just the price of their product. AND as I pointed out before ONLY if you have the dated receipt which shows their product's SKU or name on the receipt.

Your statement "...memories do not constitute PROOF of anything." is interesting. I wonder what a trial lawyer or judge would say about that, since Witness Testimony can be used to convict someone. Then again, since you are still in your first couple of decades, I can understand why you feel that way. Wait a few years, then repeat your statement.

My comments regarding the inclusion of silicones are in error as you point out. You're right, not being a chemist by trade I erred in citing silicones and not plasticizers or elastomeric compounds as the culprits.

As you point out, your opinion is yours and mine is mine. But the difference between the two is that mine is based on my personal experience, yours is based on hearsay since it's your Dad and Uncle who have had the experience with the product and not you. I wonder if your Dad and Uncle use Armor All on their and their families cars?

FWIW

Enrique

[montoya_fan01]

Gosh, Chill Dude I tried to get across that I wasn't attacking you personally, but you seem not to have believed that. My uncles still have a couple of the cars they built long ago, (middle 1970s) and more that they and Dad have built more recently and both they and my Dad still use Armorall on most if not all of thier cars and trucks. As for magazines, I'm not aware of any magazines their cars have been featured in, but I don't see that as meaning anything in this discussion. Why would you bring that up? Does it make one point more valid than another? I don't think so. Try telling a judge that based on your memories of the look, feel and smell of Armorall throughout the last 50 years that you know they haven't changed the formula. That statement and bus fare might get you across town, but it won't buy anything in this discussion. funny that you started out by refering to your knowledge from chemistry classes, which now seems to have been wrong. Wonder how your legal knowledge will hold up.

anyway, I'm still not trying to put you down, but this discussion is going nowhere so I'll bow out of it, but I do not believe that your experiences constitue proof, and my families experiences don't either. i believe that "our" experiences illustrate that there are differing opinions out there, and so far, I haven't seen "proof" either way. Still waiting...............