check out these wheels

[montoya_fan01]

Sure the engine is dusty, but it could be that the engine bay was treated with Ziebart or something like it.

Z Police LAY OFF!!!! You give this site a bad name!

[Arne]

So, let's discuss those items we don't care for on other vehicles, but let's not denigrate the people or their thoughts.

Point taken. I was too harsh.

[e_racer1999]

what i like from the car - the seats. but prolly not in a z

[2003z]

Nicely put EScanlon.

[zhead240]

i have to disagree with escanlon's veiw point( don't take this personal). to discuss another zed and express your likes and dislikes are your opionions.in no way does this make our members look bad or is it berating.as for the incident a few weeks ago, it was burt who came on here to boast my car is better the yours and he is the one who started three flame threads.hey, your can say anything you want about my zed, i don't care, it's only a car.we are not talkin about someone's mother!

[EScanlon]

...snip...to discuss another zed and express your likes and dislikes are your opionions....snip....we are not talkin about someone's mother!

I whole heartedly agree with you.

You can call any and all of the features / dents / highlights / lowlights about the CAR.

It's when the comments begin about the PERSON that I am referring to.

My last sentence says:

So, let's discuss those items we don't care for on other vehicles, but let's not denigrate the people or their thoughts.

With your recollection of the "fun" last week, you'll recall that as soon as the name calling began......presto.....instant bon-fire and the FLAMES went whoooooosh....FLASHBACK.

Whether he or we started the name calling is not the point. It was the name-calling and persona-bashing that got us off.

This is exactly what I wouldn't want to see happen here.

E

P.S.: I'll gladly continue this discussion via PM's or start another thread, but let this thread stand as being about the wheels on the car mentioned.

[montoya_fan01]

Speaking in general......

Is it OK to talk about situations where months and months are spent to find a rust-free z, a premium is paid for said car, and then the owner cheaps out and uses Fram oil filters on it? Opinions are one thing, but really who cares about your opinion of this car? You don't own it, from your attitude I'm guessing that you'll never own it. Why criticize what the current owner did (or didn't do) to it? It's not your cup o' tea, that's swell, but the owner didn't ask for your opinion, no potential bidder asked either so who cares what your opinion is?

[sblake01]

Well, the thread is based on the opinion of it's author. If he didn't like the wheels I don't think he would have started it. Some people just get too caught up in it.

[dogma420]

just curious...

Looks like the grill piece (that covers part of the grill) was added or fab'd when the paint was done (which looks recent)...

wouldn't the car have a tendency to overheat with this piece attached? Looks like there isn't a lot of space for air (vs. normal setup)....

[montoya_fan01]

Some people just get too caught up in it.

Zactly. which is how the membership of this site has the reputation for being the Z police.

one guy posts about the wheels, next thing ya know people are picking the car to pieces..............

[EScanlon]

YIKES!!!

I hope I didn't enflame people. If I did...please blame me.

I can understand Garth's position on having the vehicle critiqued and therefore needing defending, but my post was about criticizing the person or the thoughts behind the car / car's changes or "improvements".

Car clubs for the most part are about ..... surprise!.... a specific car, or a family of cars (family = whatever the members decide). Within that framework, we share, cajole, praise, borrow, steal, and otherwise entertain....IDEAS about that car. Whether it could be made faster, smoother, nicer, cooler........etc etc, and thankfully along the way we pass on ideas that are better.... in whatever manner we choose to deem them as being better....for us.

But comments that are derisive in their nature tend to inject arguments into that flow of ideas. Then some of the best minds we have here turn to defining that classic, never to be forgotten, anhiliate the opposition with one fell blow statement, that unfortunately, tends to be just a bit more derisive. Then it cascades into insults and the ire that can generate, hence a "Flame War".

But commenting on a car is fair game, and in my opinion, as long as you don't attach negative values to the comment, everyone benefits.

Beandip and I are good friends and we constantly cajole each other over our vehicles. My car has a lot of "gold" accents, since it's painted 920 Gold. His is painted '05 Mustang "Screaming Yellow". I refer to it as 'Arrest Me' Yellow, and constantly remind him to use a "feather" foot or he won't be able to avoid a speeding ticket.....standing still. The car looks like FAST, and if I were a cop, I'd give him a ticket .... for the times he DIDN'T get caught.

But I don't tell him his car shows he has a yellow streak a mile wide. (Did I mention he has an impressive collection of target cards with the centers neatly punched out?)

He doesn't (the streak,that is), and between he and I, we'd probably laugh over it. But someone else would take offense, and it is that type of comment that I'm addressing.

You're welcome to take pot shots at my car...all day long. But when you start denigrating the individual who owns the car, or came up with the idea behind.... then you start the war.

But Garth, I have to say that in a car club, some things are simply going to get jeered at and made fun of. The thing is to remember that a lot of times this "making fun of" is part of the "membership". The key is to NOT make it a lynching.

Now as far as being the Z police.....that can seem bad, but also good.

If we're the Z police because we know the history, antecedents, details about the car and it's constituent components (240 S1 & S2; U.S./JDM/Europe/Oceania/World market versions etc.). Then I'll put on my badge, and smile.

But if the reference is supposed to be negative, I'd like to see this club change that attitude.

2¢

Enrique

[71_240Z]

I think its a cool looking car.

My engine bay looks like his and Im almost got my body in good enough shape to go to painting. I was thinking I would paint my engine bay too (oh the disassembly!!!), but after seeing this car, I think I may just steam the engine and just paint the outside. A PO painted it bubbly black... probably some type of undercoating. Who looks at the engine anyway? Im not building a trailer queen. I want to drive it a few times a week and autocross every so often.

Not a fan of the wheels, but I LOVE the interior and paint

I like a bumper on the front of a car. I am too nervous to park a bumperless car anywhere.