Real FIA race car #26 on ebay !!

[240zwinter]

Doh! Sorry I just enlarged the picture up and they are fiberglass not steel : P

[HS30-H]

Hi Alan:

I can see that the car is damaged... but please tell us the "story".. who are the people in the picture, where are they and what were they doing just before the road side stop .... and how did they get the car to begin with.

thanks,

Carl

Carl,

I can't help thinking that you should be putting these questions to the vendor instead of me. I'm starting to feel like it is my information that is under scrutiny here, instead of the guy who has a piece of paper and a car that both have different VIN numbers on them.

But anyway.......

I can see that the car is damaged... but please tell us the "story"..

Its a well-known and well documented story.....

.....who are the people in the picture....

Members of the general public ( rally spectators ) and members of the Old Woking Service Station and Withers Of Winsford service crew who were looking after the car on the event. I have cropped the photos to cut out some people and cars that were on the scene.

....where are they......

On a Scottish hillside. The event was the 1972 Scottish Rally.

.....and what were they doing just before the road side stop.....

I'm tempted to say "proceeding straight to the scene of the accident... .". But they were ( obviously ) competing on a special stage in the 1972 Scottish Rally. The number '13' figures large in this story......

.... and how did they get the car to begin with.

The car was originally ( as we know ) one of a small batch built by Nissan in 1970 specifically to compete in the 1970 RAC Rally. It carried the Japanese temporary-export 'carnet' registration number 'TKS 33 SA 696'. This car had a relatively long and interesting career after the 1970 RAC, and competed in many events.

After its temporary-export Japanese registration number ran out, import duty was paid on the car and it acquired a UK vehicle registration number and 'log book'. It passed out of 'Works' ownership and into the hands of Mr Cal Withers ( of 'Withers of Winsford' ) who entered it in several events with different drivers. During these events it wore two of Cal Withers' personal vehicle registration marks; first 'CAL 1' and then 'KEJ 1'. Obviously these numbers were being used whilst the original UK vehicle registration number assigned to the car ( 'PTD 524K' ) was being held legally on a 'retention' certificate. All quite above board.

'KEJ 1' ( actually 'HS30-00026' ) was entered in the 1972 Scottish Rally by Withers Of Winsford, to be driven by Roy Fidler and navigated by Barry Hughes.

The story is that on stage 13 the throttle jammed, and they hit a rocky bank and rolled - with the car ending up on its roof. Members of the service crew worked hard on the car and managed to get it back on the road. Fidler and Hughes continued on the rally and managed to finish the event.

As I mentioned, this is a well documented story.

Alan T.

[HS30-H]

... but please tell us the "story"...

Carl,

Whilst I have your attention, can I ask you to look at this thread:

"Z - 35 years of Nissan's sports car"

.....and possibly post your opinions on the criticisms that have been raised?

Thanks,

Alan T.

[v12horse]

I don't really have anything to add, but this thread has got my attention. I remember looking at the Bonham auction results of this replica and of the 260z that had many works parts and I was amazed. I did not know that such things were for sale or even existed. Just amazing.

-Ben

p.s. I could be totally off, but the man in the second picture with the glasses looks like a famous Works Mini Cooper navigator. I am not going to name names as I could be totally off.

[Mike]

What do you guys think this car will sell for ? Or, where do you suppose the reserve is at? It is a nice car and, if the price is right, would make a great car for someone.

[Alfadog]

first 'CAL 1' and then 'KEJ 1'.

OH, that rang a bell. So this was that car you showed me pictures of? That's incredible, I never put 2 and 2 together. In fact you probably mentioned it crashed in a Scottish rally. Ahh it makes sense but I feel bad now for not remembering - how do you remember all this information!

[v12horse]

I think this car did not sell at the auction at 26,000 pounds. He wants a lot more than most Americans are willing to pay. I would love to see it on these shores, even though it is not an original WORKS car.

-Ben

[Arne]

What do you guys think this car will sell for ? Or, where do you suppose the reserve is at? It is a nice car and, if the price is right, would make a great car for someone.

True. While it apparently isn't the car it is claimed to be, taken as is, and with eyes open, it could still be neat car to have. But I agree, not many people around here would be willing to pay the asking price.

[Z-point]

A few pictures from my files. What I believe to be closest to the truth of the issue. I will also note that I have communicated with Mr. Bradburn about this particular car as well as others.

Here are what I believe to be the real HS30-00026 and HS30-00027.

Chris,

May I use these two pictures of you and add them to my webpage??

The Welsh one I did have but it's from a newspaper, and therefore very rough...

[NZeder]

.........And this is what happened to the real 'HS30-00026'..........

Well look's like what happened to my Zed....the perious owner back in the late 80's rolled it after falling of the track and hitting the sandpit. Given the work that was done rebuilding my car back then (I am now doing its second rebuild rust this time not rollover damage) the car could have been saved (with the right $$ but I guess complete cars would have been cheaper than a rebuild - however they were not that easy to come by in New Zealand). Given pics of my car are on another site I will post the before-rollover, after-rollover, rebuild and how it turned out (ie what I purchased, however I knew the history of the car before purchasing it and my brother/panelbeater had a good look over it and the work was done correctly so no difference to a stock body just new/secondhand panels - bonnet was the only panel not replaced but I now have NOS coming from Japan as it had a bit of bog/bondo or whatever you call it locally - all other panels were good. The second hand guards/fenders that were installed needed some rust repairs but I did start the second restore/rebuild after 15-18 years after the first - and it is a 1977 car)

So my point - they did not need to rebody the car it could have been rebuilt. But given this happened in 72 bodies were easier to get/import

[26th-Z]

Hi Guus!

A great many of my pictures come from Alan. I have seen other copies of the one of 26, but the one of 27 is from him. The color pictures come from a Bonhams catalog when the cars were on sale last. I have no problem with using the pictures. Alan?

Chris

[240znz]

Well well well.

The car is on its way to New Zealand as I type. I was with the new owner over the past weekend. He has many toys.

It will live with: a fully restored imaculate 71 240z; a Fairlady 240zg; another 240z in bits; a 260z 2+2 parts car; a 2000 Roadster ex USA race car (in the last throws of a complete rebuild) and a ex works 240RS from Ireland. Serious go fast bits in his garage as well.

I do hope he read these posts before he brought it. No, I'm not asking him! Who would? Crikey!