First Z

[bpilati]

Cool thanks. My very first car was actually a 67 Mustang (a restoration project that never did get finished), so American classics I'm use to.

One thing that worries me is the fact that I can be a litttle bit like Tim Taylor as such that I have to make every automobile I own go a lot faster than it really should. I was wounder what kind of market there is for nissan engines. How much power can they make? Do they like to rev? Are they torquey? ect.

Thanks guys.

No problem, someone even put a turboshaft engine in a Z once. So whatever you can think of, it's probably been done.

[=Enigma=]

What experts say they handel like an American car? GM's testers? The car's geometry has allowed the Z to be a competitive race car to this day. I say these expers are fools or they have an anti Zcar agenda.

I believe that would be the same book author he was bashing in a previous post. Looks like he's gone over to the other side now.

Just playin with ya Bryan.

[jmortensen]

Are you going to pop into every thread and defend statements that should have been written differently? My answer to your question is no. I stated I was having fun, and that we could just quit. But since you're here, you still believe that the Z handles like an American car and not a European car. Fine, you go ahead. I never argued that it did or should handle like a RACE CAR OR RACED PREPPED CAR, only you are doing that. So basically, you are and have been talking about something completely different from me. Cya.

Right, that's the problem. You have no contextual knowledge of what Morton was saying. He said:

After a brief drive, the evaluation became direr. The car was very soft and had a lot of squat under acceleration. The handling felt more like that of an American car, not a potential race-winning sports car. This wasn't going to be so easy.

He's speaking in RACE-WINNING SPORTS CAR terms. And in race-winning sports car terms the car is soft and squats a lot. The car was undersprung. The stock geometry sucked. The chassis wasn't very stable and flexed too much. Those are the problems that BRE addressed, and hey, whaddya know? The car won races.

He says the handling is "more like that of" an American car. I can't believe how much that statement is getting to you. Compared to other sports cars in the class, it was. Having driven MANY early 70's 911s I can tell you that they feel a lot stiffer than a stock Z. My favorite that I got to drive was a bone stock 74 911 Carrera CS. Compared to that car the 240 does feel like a wallowing American car, like it's damn near going to scrape the door handles going around corners. That CS felt about as prepared as my very modified Z did.

[bpilati]

How much did that 74 Porsche 911 CS cost?

[zguitar71]

Are you going to pop into every thread and defend statements that should have been written differently? My answer to your question is no. I stated I was having fun, and that we could just quit. But since you're here, you still believe that the Z handles like an American car and not a European car. Fine, you go ahead. I never argued that it did or should handle like a RACE CAR OR RACED PREPPED CAR, only you are doing that. So basically, you are and have been talking about something completely different from me. Cya.

I am not sure if that is for me or not. If it is for me then do not say "Cya" and them PM this to me:

"You really look like you are backpedalling every since your "GM tester" turned out to be John Morton. Too bad you won't stand by your statements."

I am not tring to back pedal. I disagree with the statement. Of course my experience is limited and baised on the auto cross course and the street. But I have owned and `87 Mustang, Saab 900 and the Zcar (and various trucks and vans). In stock form the Saab and the Z are superior to the Mustang except for a drag race. Yes the Saab is front wheel drive thus an entirely different car. However the balance of the Saab and the Z is much better and both car weigh much less (Saab 2760, autocrossed in stock and st. prepared; Z 2315, auto crossed in F prepared; Mustang over 3200 but not sure of the exact weight, did not race). The balance and the weight of the two cars contributed to their better feel and handeling. I do reconize that a stock Z and a F prepared Z are worlds apart and I have never raced a stock Z but I have driven a few stock ones very hard on the street for what it is worth.

Now remember you started this hole argument and hyjacked this thread with the attack of my post containing the statement "they handel great too." What was the point of that? In the thread I talk of different mods including streathening the chasis, with low cost modifications (springs/shocks/swaybars) Z'S DO HANDEL GREAT!

Mabey you should back off.

[jmortensen]

No clue. Probably 2.5 or 3 times as much as the 240Z would be my guess. But why are you even asking???

Once again, to reframe your question in the context of Morton's statement, purchase price is not a factor in sports car racing. They don't have classes based on cost. Classes are based on engine size and chassis configuration.

[beandip]

Spike , welcome to the web site. Please disreguard jmort , bpilati , and zgritar, while they puff up and try to impress one another and hi-jack this thread . Are you planning to drive the 240 in the snow and Ice ? These cars have little clearence and not much room for chained tires . As was already stated these engines can be built to attain amazing HP concidering they are such little engines . However when built to achieve this power , there driveability suffers greatly . For a daily driver I wouldent recomend it . The cost per HP is a definate factor also . If HP in one of these cars is your goal and keeping the cost down . Look to a V-8 hi-bred . A small block chevy is almost the same weight as the inline engine and rests farther back in the engine bay . This makes the car almost a mid engine G T . You know GM iron there is a hell of a lot more available HP there than in the little 6 . A stock 280 is already getting about 1 HP per Cu inch , so there is not that much to improve on in compairison to the small block . Hp costs money , how fast do you want to spend ! Parts for the early Zs are getting spendy in the past 5 years . With headlingt switches going for $200 a pop and rear tail lights at $600.00 it all depends on how deep your pockets are, and what you intend. All the best to you . Gary And you other guys that I first mentioned on this post , dont bother flaming me because I don't care and hardly come to the site any longer because or the likes of you .

[Evil Twin]

Don't Hijack the thread!

This one is to welcome Spike to our midst!

[beandip]

WELL IT STARTED THAT WAY ON PAGE #1 AFTER POST #12 YOU GUYS STARTED AN ARGUEMENT AND HI-JACKED THE THREAD . YOU DON'T EVEN REALISE IT WHEN YOU DO IT . THIS IS WHAT IS SCREWING UP THE WHOLE WEB SITE . JUST AS SOON AS YOU GET PERSONAL YOU ARE OFF LINE. go back and reread the thread , you should see what I mean. Spike asked a question and it dident even get past the first page before you guys got off topic. I am refering to those mentioned in my post . Gary :mad:

[Evil Twin]

Gary, I wasn't aiming at you! I was trying to reinforce what you said-from a newbie! I would like to welcome Spike in his thread, and remind everyone else to do the same on this thread and move anything else to another thread.

I agree with you Gary!!!!

[jmortensen]

WELL IT STARTED THAT WAY ON PAGE #1 AFTER POST #12 YOU GUYS STARTED AN ARGUEMENT AND HI-JACKED THE THREAD . YOU DON'T EVEN REALISE IT WHEN YOU DO IT . THIS IS WHAT IS SCREWING UP THE WHOLE WEB SITE . JUST AS SOON AS YOU GET PERSONAL YOU ARE OFF LINE. go back and reread the thread , you should see what I mean. Spike asked a question and it dident even get past the first page before you guys got off topic. I am refering to those mentioned in my post . Gary :mad:

I apologize for my part in the argument, but I think the root of the problem is Bryan running around in a bunch of threads telling people that their cars don't handle well that is the problem. Maybe we should change his handle to cardogman1.

I agree wholeheartedly with Gary's first post. If you want big hp and you don't want a turbo, then the best option is a V8 swap. There are kits available for the SBC, both the older SBC (through JTR-Jags That Run) and the new LS1 (John's Cars). That is the easiest way to get 300+ hp in a Z, barring turbo. www.hybridz.org is a great resource on turbos or V8 swaps.

[bpilati]

In post #25 I attempt to turn the thread back to its original topic. However, some had to continue. I thought it would be obvious that I was trying to make an effort to stop the "hijack".