Who wants a set of Euro tail lights for under $200?

[Evil Twin]

Seems earlier this year one of the other members went through the same motions, but no where with the company. It does look like the website has been updated with the previous information, HLS30 is Will-as mentioned for supplying the donor lens.

Maybe he just doesn't know they are ready to go. I'll will PM him and see what is going on.

look here:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16625&highlight=klearz

[bpilati]

Is this the same Euro light set that was sold by MSA?

[lww]

Is this the same Euro light set that was sold by MSA?

Not that I'm aware of.

I have two other sets of lenses from them for a different application and I think the part about them being hand made is a little mis-leading. For the other lenses, the molds were cast from an original piece and are not 'manufactured'.

There's virtually no way they could have reproduced the diamond pattern on the inside of the lens by hand. The lenses I've bought from them previously clearly came from a mold.

Cheers,

LWW

[dkd021]

I saw Too Intense's Ebay auction for these lenses & the pic at the top of the page. The two pictures look the same to me. If the above pic came from klearz, I think it'd be safe to assume TIR is getting them from the same place & has their markup. Who knows, I'm just glad I got my NOS taillights a couple of years ago for $300. In fact, TIR is where I got them from.

lww, I take it you had a bad experience with Too Intense Rest?

[Mike]

I don't have any proof of this, but, most of the experience I have with parts suggest that both of these vendors are most-likely getting these from the same supplier. Again, I don't have any proof that this is the case for these lenses. But, I wouldn't doubt it.

Anyway, back to the basics of LWW's intent. We have a chance to get lenses for $200 a set. There is obviously a requirement to change some electrical to make it look perfect, but, it doesn't mean this opportunity is not valid.

I am putting in a deposit....

-- Mike

[Mike]

You know what might look even better? Instead of an amber lens, how about a clear lens with an amber bulb? Not sure how this would look on a classic though....

Has anyone looked into this?

[hls30.com]

At the request of another mermber here, this is what is available from ClearZ lenses.

Tina, and I have emailed many times in the last several days, and because of a missunderstanding on my part, I did not realize that she was waiting for deposits to get this going. Only one more deposit and my lenses are needed! Deposits can be made via a paypal link on the clearz site.

ClearZ will make the lenses in one of several formats, varying between these two:

One clear piece with the colored portion painted and coated on the inside.(lenses could be left clear, pinted with colors (to USA or European appearance)

Four colored cast pieces glued together as original.

Here are the particulars you would want to know about the lenses.

The original lens is made up of four pieces glued together (I am not counting the housings, or the chrome trim). The top "bubble of the lens is one piece with a reflector glued into a cast in recess, the bottom part of the lens is actually two corners glued together. In the USA version of the lens both lower corners are red, in the european variety, one corner is amber and the other is red. The lenses appear to be one piece just as the side markers do, in reality, both are made up of more than one piece.

The molds will be made from one or two sets of very good condition (I will not use my NOS or perfect used set for reasons that will become obvious) originals(depending on whether I need to cut them down to cast the individual pieces that make up each lens). The nomenclature cast into the lenses will be sanded off, and polished to allow the lenses to be made-not my idea.

Other than the lost symbols, the lenses will be extreemly faithful reproductions. these lenses have none of the areas that ClearZ says are less than high quality. The two sets of lenses I have set up for this are in great shape, but do have internal stress cracks that do not extend to the surfaces of the lenses-they are driver lenses for this reason alone, and have no other damage.

My thought is to make the lenses as close to original as possable, using colored materials to cast each of the four pieces that make up each lens. It will be less expensive to color the pieces after they have been cast in clear material, and it will give more coloring options-even allow the purchaser to color the lenses.

It will be cheeper still to cast the lens in one clear piece and color the sections individually-mask and shoot.

Tina asked me to make up a poll to get the pulse of what everyone wants. I will be getting together the pricing and options today, and be back to post a poll this evening.

MY understanding is that both types of the lenses from TIR are cast as a single piece and painted and coated inside-I have not seen them personally, so I am going on what another member has told me. That is the least expensive way to do it, and the easiest to adapt between USA and Euro versions within a run.

If there are questions, please post them here, Tina has the address of the thread as well, and I will be getting with her about what is posted.

Will

PS, if any of you has the TIR product, please take and post some high res images of it inside and out...

Thanks

[2003z]

I believe its www.Klearz.comsorry, I had a redirect from another post that sad clearsz.com, but it didn't show the whole thread.

[lww]

You know what might look even better? Instead of an amber lens, how about a clear lens with an amber bulb? Not sure how this would look on a classic though....

Has anyone looked into this?

Now that actually sounds like an idea Mike. I was originally going for the red/amber/clear euro spec, but with my 240z getting repainted Z32 Alpine White, completely clear lenses with red bulbs for the stop and amber bulbs for the blinker might actually improve the asthetics with the contrasting light grey tail light panel.

You may be on to something here!

[Too Intense]

I want clear all the confusion up for this problem that Klearz has started. They copied the photo from my web site and started a posting of the lenses they have. They do not offer the same lens mentioned in some of their ad’s they also need not to copy other vendor’s photos, and stop misleading and potential customer. I’ve invested over 90K to create a proper mold from the original lenses. This is an injection process and if you want the real thing please feel free to contact me. I sure hope this will clear some of the issue Klearz has presented. The true manufacturer of these reproduction 240Z lenses and lens is and will be Too Intense Restoration and you can contact me through my web site at www.DatsunRestore.com

Thank You

Troy Thacker

Too Intense Restoration

www.DatsunRestore.com

[sblake01]

Troy, this site isn't what is once was. I cringe when I think of some of the replies your post may get. You were badmouthed in this thread and even when questioned the person didn't say why. I really don't know if coming here to defend your postition will get the response you would hope for. Lots of kids here, lots of people who feel their opinion is of more importance that others, etc. I personally wouldn't get into one of those 'get enough people together and well make something for you' type deals and I don't see any need for you to defend yourself against such a thing. I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong if these guys get their $200 euro taillights and the quality is even close to the ones you sell. I've seen yours. I've only seen pictures of the "Klearz" and they're not even their own pictures?

[hls30.com]

I am in this as well, and here is the factual story of what has happened from ClearZ-if there has been confusion on this site, it is because of me, and not deception on their part.

1) I contacted ClearZ on or about 3/1/05 to find out the particulars of having the USA version of the taillight lenses reproduced-the thread proving this is located here: http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16625&highlight=klearz Reproduction taillight lenses were not advertized as existing at the time of my contact.

2) ClearZ has never said they have the lenses-if they had:

A)they would not require deposits on the lenses for making molds.

B)I would not need to send a set or two in for making the molds.

C)I would not have posted a poll to find out what people want.

I don't see these facts that are clearly within the text of this thread as confusing or misleading anyone into thinking the lenses already exist.

As to the use of the photos, I do not have an answer for that, the only photos I have used in this situation have been photos of my own NOS set of lenses, or the three nearly perfect used sets I have. I have never used a photo that I didn't take to illustrate the lenses in question-what appears on the web that is not on my site or in my post on a thread, I have no control over or comment on.

Mr. Thacker, I have been told that your lenses are clear and then painted on the inside. As I have posted earlier, this information came from a member who says he has a pair of your lenses; and I have not seen a set of your lenses.

In your ad you state something to the effect that your "lenses are as close as Nissan will let you come"-what are the differences that they required? Stating that there are differencs and not telling me what they are does confuse me about what I am buying.

To really "clear all the confusion up for this problem" what should be done is to show(not tell) us the differences between the OEM lenses and the reproductions you make. With a $90,000 investment, they should be clearly superior to any proposed reproduction, and you should be proud of demonstrating why they are!

Thank you for any explanation!

William Stokes