VERY INTERESTING THREAD ABOUT PAINTING WITH A ROLLER.-Hybridz

[1GENZED]

Hi everyone

I came across this thread at HybridZ about painting with a paint roller.

It's very interesting, and worth a read. I thought maybe some people on this forum might appreciate the information.

http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=107977

Thanks Ahmed

[Pennyman]

Yeah, looks pretty interesting. Read that on another forum as well. Looks to be close to the 70's burnt orange found on many 240z's as well. I'm sure you could find it in other colors.

There are two posibilities: First, this could be one hell of a find and could be a viable alternative to spray-gun painting a car OR Second, this could be something that wouldn't last very long and wouldn't provide much protection to the metal underneath.

Looks like a sweet idea though. Touch up would be a breeze too!

[Go240Zags]

Can't believe I read all 10 pages of those posts on the MoPar site, but it is interesting, especially if you are into DIY and don't have the facilities or skills to spray paint. I live just four miles from the Great White North too. Still would like to leave my paint to the professionals, but the thread definately got me thinking.

[Zedrally]

When I first read this I immediately thought it was the 1st of April, now having digested it a little more I can see some advantages.

Spray painting gives a relatively thin coat of paint whilst any type of handpainting (roller or brush) would certainly have a thicker coat.

Surely this would be an advantage?

[hls30.com]

Maybe, but you are sanding most of the thickness off(absolutely not a uniform application-or the sanding would not be important). Still, an interesting idea, trading overspray for elbow grease!

Will

[bpilati]

Here's the text:

here's how i painted my car for about $50, it's actually very easy and the results are amazing. First off, get a can of tremclad real orange (or what ever color u want) in the can, not spray, yes tremclad, it is a acrylic/enamel paint which is very durable. next prep your car as if was any other paint job, fix all the rust, ect....no need to prime the car since the tremclad allready contains elements which allow it to be painted over bare metal. next, after prepping the car get a small 4" professional FOAM rollers, it's tiny and has one end rounded off, and the other cut straight, and is a very high density foam. u also need a jug of mineral spirits to thin the paint. The thing i really like about this is that there's no mess, no tapeing the whole car, just key areas, and u can do it in your garage, since your not spraying there is virtually no dust in the air, just clean your garage first, also it does'nt really smell at all, dries overnight and it super tough paint. also it you decide to paint the car professionally later, just prep and paint, there's no need to strip the tremclad. i have done this to a few cars, and i can say it works amazing, u just have to be paitient. next u thin the paint with mineral spirits so it just about as thin as water, a little thicker. get out the roller and paint away, don't get the paint shaked when u buy it, enamel is stirred, otherwise you'll have bubbles in the paint for a week!!! after u do 2 coats, wet sand the whole car, then repeat, 2 coats, wetsand, 2 coats wetsand. i painted the charger using a can since your not spraying the car u use all the paint and not spray 50% in the air, use progressivly finer sand paper each time. it's not really that much work, cause u can stop and start any time, u can do just a door, or the hood, ect. do one panel at a time, and don't stop once you start. once your done the final coat, wetsand with about 1000 grit to a totally smooth finish, and then using a high speed polisher i use a buffing bonnet and turtle wax polishing compound. do the whole car with this, and i'm telling u, depending on the amount of time and paitence you have, the results are amazing. laugh if you want, but for $50 ($30 for paint, about $20 for rollers, sand paper, ect...) it really looks good. also you can do these steps overnight, paint one evening and by morning u can wet sand. i have personally done alot of painting, mostly single stage acrylic enamel, and i've sprayed several cars in my garage with really good professional results, just it stinks, it's a real pain to do, easy to make a mistake, messy, and expensive. The tremclad is awesome paint, the "real orange" is an amazing hemi orange, and almost looks like it has some perl in the sun, awesome color right out of the can. I used this technique on my 1974 beetle also, here are the results:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/Picture10.jpg

the car before:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/IM000475.jpg

another after pic:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC00164.jpg

here is a car i sprayed (71 beetle, midnight blue metalic):

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC00194.jpg

here is the car before (71 beetle):

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/Picture1.jpg

here's a few pics of the charger done:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC02764.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC02769.jpg

well that's my 2 cents worth, sorry for the long post. i was borred

i painted the orange beetle in 1999, and it still looks like the day i painted it, the 71 blue beetle i painted in 2000, and built the car for my dad, i used the same paint on my charger, maybe one day i'll spring for a good paint job, prepping is 90% of the work, stripping the car, sanding, ect.....painting is overrated!!!

So if you have TIME, then i'd say go for it, the worst that could happen is that it does'nt turn out and your out $50, but if your paitient, and expriement with lets say just the trunk pannel and if you like it do the whole car, if not just get it done by someone else for $4000. i don't know about you guys, but i would rather spend the $4000 on other parts like getting the mechanics sorted out and new chrome, cause when u have really nice paint and crappy bumpers, door handles it just sticks out more.

[260Zed]

I read the whole 10ish pages (phew). Had me sold till the guy who showed his results was able to scratch it back to bare metal. If it works I think it needs more clarification. Eg Exact branding to use, with what solvent, at what ratio.

But yeah, cheap way to get some colour on your car. I think I'd wait till lotsa people can vouch its success.

2c

[AWC]

Yeah, I read the full 10 pages as well. It is yet unproven.

Hey Go240--would you be willing to schelp across the border and buy a gallon of Tremclad and ship it to me for some testing? I'll pay you in advance.

[Go240Zags]

Yeah, I read the full 10 pages as well. It is yet unproven.

Hey Go240--would you be willing to schelp across the border and buy a gallon of Tremclad and ship it to me for some testing? I'll pay you in advance.

That could probably be arranged. The next town is about 5 miles away and they have a couple of hardware stores. Might take a trip to Penticton, BC though to find a bigger home center big box type store, I know they have a Canadian Tire (sounds like a tire store, but actually is more of a Home Depot type store). Let me do some checking on the phone first, as it snowed again today. Thanks to Homeland Security it is also getting to be more of a hassle crossing the border nowadays. It used to be almost as easy as driving to the next town. Now they want Passports or Birth Certificates, even though that isn't really the law. And that's returning to the states, they're much nicer crossing into Canada (usually). In the old days, many of the customs/immigration guys on the U.S. side were my old High School teachers picking up a few bucks working nights or after they retired from teaching.

[AWC]

If you can locate it nearby, let me know. I'll do some test panels and post the results here. This has me interested enough to take the first step (which is more due diligence).

[Ricklandia]

It got my curiousity up too. I hope this thread can draw some interest. Personally, no way I can afford the cost of a "decent" paint job ($3-4K?), yet looking at my "tomato soup Red" paint job just bugs the :tapemouth out of me. Makes you wonder, someone brought up a good point; how were things (autos, metals, etc) painted before industrial spray painting were common? I've seen any number of metal antiques with brilliant paintwork, and industrial auto spray painting wasn't commonplace until the 1930's or even '40s (?). True, it might be more time/labor intensive than having someone spray the car for me, but if the article holds true, most of the paint work can be done in stages. That kind of time I've got - paint a couple of coats one weekend, wetsand the next weekend, etc., etc., until it's ready for a final buffing.

I'm definitely going to keep an eye on the original thread to see if it continues to thrive. It does sound too good to be true, but the older I get the more I realize that great ideas are NOT always accepted easily - for many reasons (usually money, unfortunately). I'm even contemplating a little experimenting, I've got an old Sears riding mower that could use a coat of paint, it might be the perfect test bed: it sits outside 365, gets routinely blasted with dust, dirt and stones, and if it ends up looking bad - WHO CARES!!! :cheeky:

Addendum: the photo links in the original article/blog dont seem to work, but if you search directly for "69Martin" at Photobucket you can get to them. Here's the link to his photo collection relevant to the thread:

http://photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/paint/

[zman525]

does the car need to be stripped to bear metal to do this?! if so that stinks but if it looks like that its worth it.. and that price! omg