L 24 engine

[moonpup]

Hey beandip, thanks for the name change. Hope you didn't fry too many brain cells coming up with that.

In the meantime, if you can't see who really had the agenda/axe to grind in all this I'm afraid I can't help you.

[=Enigma=]

Wow, this is just plain silly. Let's all take a deep breath and check our egos at the door.

Thanks for the post Alan. Interesting info. I'm sure the originator of this topic will appreciate it, and that's really all that matters at this point.

[halz]

1. For sale: World's finest hair splitter - guaranteed to prolong an argument way beyond its useby date (even in the face of all facts).

2. For Sale: Stick grabber - slightly worn but has a better than average chance of picking up the wrong end of any stick you desire.

These items work on both sides of the Atlantic (and Pacific!) but should be used with extreme discretion and only after thorough training! :cheeky:

[Zedrally]

I for one was interested in learning that an oil cooler was available as a factory option, also that one could order an export model in Japan to your specifications (if I read that right).

Thanks again Alan for some great insight.

PS. Halz, I'll bet those items work equally well on both sides of our coast (east & west) just as well..........

MOM

[Carl Beck]

Alan, I believe your self-imposed agenda to educate the world sometimes gets the better of you. And this reply by you is a good example.

montoya_fan01 is clearly referencing the U.S. export/240z model in his reply. I don't think anyone could imply differently.

Your response included a drawing of a S30 that quite obviously shows an engine (note: valve cover design) not available to the U.S. market and therefore should not be used to support your reply.

Until you can supply documentation or "accurate" illustrations to back your response, I believe it is you sir that stands corrected.

Hello moonpup / montoya_fan01 & NY-Z:

Actually, I believe that the problem with the drawing submitted by Alan is not so much that the engine illustrated is confusing - as the fact that the drawing is clearly dated..."From August 73". I too referenced the Datsun Competition Parts Catalog of 1973.

Since NY-Z stated that he has a 1972 240-Z.... and I believe it how has an engine built in 70....

montoya_fan01's statements; all subsequent tangents, subversions and debate tactics aside, holds quite true.

"No such animal as a "factory" oil cooler on an L24 imported to the USA by Nissan".

Further - note montoya's statement specifically contained the phrase; "....ON AN L24 Imported to the USA by Nissan". This is quite specifically true, because Nissan never certified an L24 with an oil cooler installed (ie "on") as meeting the the strict US Emissions Standards of the period. Further, any Authorized Datsun Dealer that offered the oil cooler kit as a Dealer Installed "option", would have been subject to heavy fines, a possible jail term, and certainly loss of his license to sell automobiles.

Alan pointed out the fact that, at least in theory, U.S. Citizens, could have purchased a US Spec. Datsun 240-Z in Japan, and since I was in Japan in 73 (92nd Bomb Wing, SAC, USAF) - I can tell you that was the case.

However, if one purchased a 240-Z, in Japan at that time, with the intention of bringing it back to the States (ie. personal automotive import)... It would have had to have been certified by Nissan Motors Ltd. as meeting all US Safety and Emissions Standards as of the date of its manufacture; or the owner would have had to put the car in a "compliance configuration" before Customs would allow it into the Country.

Was it "possible" to smuggle a non-US Spec. Z into America?.... How many Z's can you put in C5 engine containers, and how many engine containers can a C5 hold? (don't think it didn't happen). But then why bother? Since about 97% of the 240-Z's of any configuration were sold in the North American Market - it was far easier to buy a 240-Z in California, than it was to get one in Japan.

FWIW,

Carl B.

Carl Beck

Clearwater, FL USA

http://ZHome.com

[ZSaint]

Come on guys... Can't we all just be friends?

[HS30-H]

In the meantime, if you can't see who really had the agenda/axe to grind in all this I'm afraid I can't help you.

Do you seriously believe it was anybody other than you?

Actually, I believe that the problem with the drawing submitted by Alan is not so much that the engine illustrated is confusing - as the fact that the drawing is clearly dated..."From August 73". I too referenced the Datsun Competition Parts Catalog of 1973.

How is it a "problem"?

That was an illustration of a 'Factory' fitted oil cooler kit for the L24/L26 engine, rather than an 'aftermarket' supplied item. As such it was relevant and topical. I never said ANYTHING about the USA when I posted the picture, as I posted it to illustrate a Factory part. The file name also contained the Nissan part number ( which you confirmed ) which was shared by the Datsun Competition kit sold in the USA. It was - and is - all still relevant.

If you think the "August 1973" part is a problem, then I can show you earlier examples - is that what this is about?

You need to talk to 'moonpup'. He's still obviously under the impression that those parts were designed to fit a "JDM"-only engine type, and took me to task for posting the picture based on that assumption.

"No such animal as a "factory" oil cooler on an L24 imported to the USA by Nissan".

Once again I have to say - I DID NOT DISPUTE THAT FACT. Where did I call it into question?

However, if one purchased a 240-Z, in Japan at that time, with the intention of bringing it back to the States (ie. personal automotive import)... It would have had to have been certified by Nissan Motors Ltd. as meeting all US Safety and Emissions Standards as of the date of its manufacture; or the owner would have had to put the car in a "compliance configuration" before Customs would allow it into the Country.

"With the intention of bringing it back to the States" is significant. Some of these cars were road-registered in Japan before going abroad, in which case anything could happen. Okinawa in particular was a territory that had a lot of unique situations with regard to specifications and models. If you want to tell me that not a single one of those cars ever turned up in the USA then I would doubt you.

I myself own TWO cars that were originally Japanese-registered, and technically speaking ( and to the letter of the law ) they did not meet UK 'Type Approval' standards on import. Nevertheless they got through the red tape and they are HERE. Maybe you will say that the USA is more strict than the UK - but I would say that anything is possible.

I would remind you that - at this point anyway - the true identity and specification of the car in question has not been pinned down. There is an awful lot of presumption going on.

But then why bother? Since about 97% of the 240-Z's of any configuration were sold in the North American Market - it was far easier to buy a 240-Z in California, than it was to get one in Japan.

So Carl, are you saying that nobody ever bought an HLS30U in Japan, registered it on the road there, but then eventually brought it 'home' to the USA ( or even Canada )? Are you sure about that?

And what have overall sales percentages got to do with it? As I have mentioned before in this thread, if you close your eyes to the fact that other models of S30-series Z car were designed alongside the HLS30U then you do not have the FULL story - and therefore you cannot truly understand the HLS30U, let alone its siblings. Final sales percentages have NOTHING to do with what was going on in Nissan's design studios in 1966, 67, 68 & 69.

I posted a picture of a 'Factory' oil cooler kit. I thought it was topical and relevant. I was then attacked and accused of having an "agenda", by somebody that didn't even understand what the picture illustrated. Kind of says it all really.

Somewhere in amongst all the finger-pointing and name calling there is an interesting topic that is worthy of debate. A pity that this forum lately seems to be less and less about on-topic debate.........

Alan T.

PS - Gee, I already have the hair-splitter and stick grabber - thanks. Maybe this thread actually belongs in the 'Funnybone' section now?

[240znz]

What a shame guys!

Poor old (or young...see you got me all defensive now) NY Z will probably not post any images now as he's possibly now concerned about a law suit if he fails to get the right angle.

If we all could stop and haul back a little, we might just remind ourselves that we should be here to learn and share our knowledge that we have gained in working on our chosen zeds in the hope that the poor unsuspecting bastards that buy the things find this forum and use it to better their chances of maintaining the love for them that we all obviously share.

To that end, is there a need to flame at all on this site? Of course not. I'm not a net nanny nor a partypooper but for crying out loud, please stop the crap.

Thanks again for again sharing your library with us Alan. Please continue to do so.

[sblake01]

Without adding more fuel to all of this (hopefully) I'm posting a scan of the 240Z oil cooler kit from the Datsun Competition Department in the early 70s.

[Carl Beck]

Without adding more fuel to all of this (hopefully) I'm posting a scan of the 240Z oil cooler kit from the Datsun Competition Department in the early 70s.

Hi Stephen:

Would that be from the Red Covered 1973 edition or the Blue Covered 1974 edition? Just curious.

The Datsun Competition Dept. simply put out "Competition Department Bulletins" (8.5x11 individual sheets) and price lists at first. According to Ron Johnson their first "Competition Parts Catalog", was issued as a Competition Department Bulletin (no pictures/42 pages) May 1, 1971. I don't recall them having pictures of the parts before the 73 edition.

Anyone have a 72 edition?...

FWIW,

Carl

[sblake01]

That is the red covered one. I used to have the sheets you mention but haven't been able to find them since moving form La Verne to Upland about 9 years ago.

[g72s20]

Seeing Alans scan, and Steves pic, and realising.... I HAD THESE PARTS:cry: . I bought a Prince in pieces, it came with many boxes of parts, some I discovered had nothing to do with a Skyline GT, in particular a plasic bag,with "DATSUN" written in permanent marker on the outside, inside, a used oil cooler with those brackets and lines loosely attached along with some cast pieces I suspect were for the filter. I gave the lot away to an aquaintance who played with Datsuns.....well I was a one eyed Prince nut, and "odd Datsun bits?..huh, ptooie" ..damn, I really had no idea. Woulda looked cool under the bonnet of the C10. All part of my dim , dark past now, I'm afraid.

I was just thinking, it's things like this that cause my "Steptoe Gene" to kick in.

Steptoe Gene; causing sufferer to horde every little bit of "hmmmaybe useful stuff....you know, just in case it'll come in handy one day":rolleyes:The resultant mess reminiscant of "Steptoes place"

(Remember "Steptoe and Son" Alan?? )

"Sanford & Son" with Redd Foxx and Demond Wilson was the U.S. equivalent.

Which just happened to air in 1972, hey isn't that the year model of 240Z NY Z was enquiring about?? gotta keep the thread on topic ya know:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim.