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[Victor Laury]

Nissan has offered an oil cooler for it's sports cars since the 1962 SP310 (maybe further back, but my knowledge ends there). Back in 68, if you ordered a SR Roadster, a smart salesman would also hand you the Datsun Competition Parts catalog (100% markup on parts, a real sweetener for the dealer). Heck all roadsters already have the mounting bosses in the frame (is it the same for the Z's?).

[ZSaint]

I am thinking about putting one of these on my 3.0. I missed one on eBay a few months ago. I guess I can buy a new one but they are expensive. Did the fellow ever put pics up of his cooler?

[sblake01]

The one from Datsun Competition, now Nissan Motorsports is NLA. I think we may have scared him off as he's not posted in this thread of late. As for 'Steptoe and Son', I always saw that in the closing credits on Sanford and Son but was unaware of it's origin. Thanks, Jim. Was that a Brittish show? I'm assuming so since you make reference to Alan.

[Carl Beck]

Nissan has offered an oil cooler for it's sports cars since the 1962 SP310 (maybe further back, but my knowledge ends there). Back in 68, if you ordered a SR Roadster, a smart salesman would also hand you the Datsun Competition Parts catalog (100% markup on parts, a real sweetener for the dealer). Heck all roadsters already have the mounting bosses in the frame (is it the same for the Z's?).

Hi Victor:

If you remember that far back - then you must be about as old as me.... in which case I won't take those dates as absolute... but rather "as you recall - plus or minus 5 years". ;-)

A friend of mine, Ron Johnson had worked for Nissan in L.A. almost from the beginning of the Datsun Competition Department. He assures me that the first "Datsun Competition Catalog" was issued 1 May, 1971. (as Posted at #35 above). So if the salesman were handing out anything then, it must have been something other than the Datsun Competition Parts Catalog... Could it have been Competition Department Bulletins or something prepared by the Dealership?

d*** Roberts was hired by Mr. K in 1967, entering Nissan Motors as a Service Manger, but he quickly set up the Datsun Competition Department at the beginning of 68. Prior to the "Catalog" the competition department did put out "Competition Department Bulletins".... but the earliest I have are from 1969.

From the "Datsun News" 1973...

........To make it easy to race Datsuns, Roberts developed two unique services to provide the latest mechanical information and performance parts at reasonable costs.

d*** Roberts wrote: "Anyone who wanted to race a Datsun could and still can - call us for advice. Back then I answered the phones, but now we have staff of six knowledgeable people who give the advice. We average 100 calls a day."

Roberts also works closely with the best Datsun racers looking for any new parts that improve performance. When one is found, Roberts has it built in quantity by one of more than 200 suppliers.

d*** Roberts wrote: "We offer the parts to anyone for as close to cost as we can. We're not here to make money off racers. Real racing parts aren't always marked up. Quite often they're sold at Cost."

Even with little or no market up - the Datsun Competition Department sells more than $4.5 million in racing parts each year.

...end Datsun News quote......

Anyway - the Datsun Competition Department Bulletin that I do have from 69.. lists Part #21300-25510 at $94.40, for the 1500, 1600 and 2000 roadster. This looks to me like a kit produced locally by one of his suppliers, but only because of the "cold weather cover". It may be a combination of some Factory Parts and some aftermarket parts combined in an easy to install "kit". A later "Competition Parts Price List" that I have lists 21300-12210 at $113.02 for the same cars.

FWIW,

Carl B.

[peterc]

Jeez.....

I go away for a month and another flame war breaks out. Couldn't everyone just remember that words on paper (or monitor) do a really wizz-poor job of conveying the emotional intent of the writer's words.

Writing styles, senses of humour, local idioms, etc. can all be easily misinterpreted. One of the greatest assets of the internet is that you can conduct a forum with participants from every continent on earth, as is the case with this one.

If you prefer to limit yourself to forums with only local content about Z's from your locality only, so be it. However, in doing so you lose a wealth of information and assistance that belonging to an international forum offers.

So just assume that people's responses are meant in good spirit and that they aren't in any way "dissing" you. First off, most of the time that's probably true. And the odd time that they really are flaming you, the fact that you don't rise to the bait will only wizz them off even more . So either way you win.

Now, I want everyone that's posted to this thread to go to their rooms for five minutes and think about the consequences of their actions! And after you've done that, take your Z for a ride.

Isn't that what this forum is really all about?

p

[sblake01]

Actually we were okay once the isntigator stopped responding. It really had nothing to do with writing styles, idioms etc. Guys like that need to be ignored as you notice that I didn't answer him and I won't if he responds to this. It just bothers me that someone like that can sometimes drag others in as it happened it this thread.

[g72s20]

As for 'Steptoe and Son', I always saw that in the closing credits on Sanford and Son but was unaware of it's origin. Thanks, Jim. Was that a Brittish show? I'm assuming so since you make reference to Alan.

Sure was Steve, ~1962 BBC made it, not sure when it first aired in Australia. It had a real cringe factor to it....always wondering what "Father" (Albert Steptoe, the original "dirt...ty old man" was going to inflict on poor young 'Arold. Here's a decent site about it, but there are lots more.http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/s/steptoeandson_7776035.shtml

Sorry, bugger-all about 240 Z oil coolers I'm afraid:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim.

[sblake01]

Sure was Steve, ~1962 BBC made it, not sure when it first aired in Australia. It had a real cringe factor to it....always wondering what "Father" (Albert Steptoe, the original "dirt...ty old man" was going to inflict on poor young 'Arold. Here's a decent site about it, but there are lots more.http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/s/steptoeandson_7776035.shtml

Sorry, bugger-all about 240 Z oil coolers I'm afraid:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim.

Amazing! If you change the names in your qoute to "Fred Sanford' and 'Lamont' it would be a perfect description of the Sanford and Son show that is still shown here, to this day, in syndication.

Now: Back to oil coolers.

[moonpup]

Originally Posted by sblake01

Actually we were okay once the isntigator stopped responding. It really had nothing to do with writing styles, idioms etc. Guys like that need to be ignored as you notice that I didn't answer him and I won't if he responds to this. It just bothers me that someone like that can sometimes drag others in as it happened it this thread.

Let me get this straight......I take to task someone who used an inaccurate illustration (and a self-described flippant remark) as the sole support of his argument to 'counter' another members post, the same someone who portrays himself to have quite a bit of knowledge and a "pretty big archive of data" available to him and someone who I therefore feel (right or wrong) should be held to a higher standard, and I'm the instigator/bad guy. Fine I can accept that.

You on the other hand have jumped on me twice now for my post. (This second time after things appeared to be quieting down.) So what does that make you? That's not for me to answer, I'll let the other members judge your actions as mine are currently being judged.

So, please don't take this as an attack on you, I'm merely questioning your apparent double standard.

[sblake01]

This is the last time I'll ever say anything to you on this subject. In fact that last post was to another member, not you. But, okay, where was the attack? Where did I 'jump on you'? All I said was to ease up. You have a habit apparently of determining what someone's intent is when they post and reacting to that determination. And you wouldn't let it go, kind of like you're doing now. Others seem to jump on the bandwagon once that starts. My comment was meant to slow that down. You've been here a little over a month, right? I've been here three years. Others have been here longer. I'm not concerned about being judged by the other members nor do I care to argue with you. You engaged in name calling, which I won't do. You talked down to one of the more esteemed members of this site. If you had a problem with his info you should have pm'd him. I'm not telling you what to do, that's just what I would have done. And, speaking of done, I am with this.

[halz]

...still no picture of the alleged oil cooler in-situ...

[Zs-ondabrain]

Somewhere in amongst all the finger-pointing and name calling there is an interesting topic that is worthy of debate. A pity that this forum lately seems to be less and less about on-topic debate.........

Alan T.

PS - Gee, I already have the hair-splitter and stick grabber - thanks. Maybe this thread actually belongs in the 'Funnybone' section now?

Who pissed in your Cheerio's that morning. Not one single person on this furom or site is a DATSUN GOD, So lay off a little. If any one around here knows Datsun/Nissan History, It's Carl Beck!

JM2CW