http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/metalwasher.html

You should be able to make out p/n written on the bags in Kats photo.

Hi Dan:

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this - I did spend a great deal of time looking for Part Numbers etc. LIke everyone else - came up blank.

I don't recall ever seeing screws in the door panels of any 240-Z. For that matter using screws in the door panels would not be a very good idea. The spring clips used, in their plastic lags - allow the door panel to flex a bit when the door is slammed. So they act somewhat like shock absorbers... letting the door panel flex out and then spring back. So over time the door panel stays pretty much in place as it should.

I suppose it is possible that if a door panel was damaged, or warped in some way - and it wouldn't comform to the door as it should - some Dealer might have installed the screws to correct some other problem.

If you screw the door panels on - then over a brief period the screws will work their way loose, and the door panel can tear around them - as the door panel flexes away from the door - each time the door is slammed... (found this out on my 55 T-Bird).

FWIW,

Carl B.

Carl Beck

Clearwater, FL USA

http://ZHome.com

Is someone able to look in the Humble book at the car that he redoes?

When he is removing the original tan interior door panels I swear there is a shot showing these screws/washers. He also says something about it in the caption in the photo.

Can someone confirm this as I dont have the Humble book with me right now.

Joseph

I've seen several early Z's, including mine, that had the screws in the bottom of the door panel as mentioned. All these were located in Texas.

However, several members from other states have stated their cars also had them. So unless the Dealers nationwide were directed to correct some flaw using these screws, I'd say there's a good chance that they are original to the car.

Edit: ( In another thread, I mentioned my car was #3548, the twin to Wick's car. Did some further checking and I was off by one number. My car was #3549. Still close and oh yeah, they both came thru the port of Houston.)

Interesting; Humbles car also originated in Texas (again from memory).

Yup, they are shown there, on the lower left of page 63. Mentioned in the caption as well. Looks the same as in mine. His car (assuming that is his in the pictures) is #3547. Mine has them as well (#12746). Mine originated in Montana, not that it should matter.

Hello Carl, Joseph,

I couldn't agree more with your reasoning concerning not using screws to help secure door panels, Carl. I just am trying to justify seeing at least 4 or 5 1970 cars with chrome phillips head screws in the same location, ie., either side of the door latch, on both doors.

Joseph, I did find the reference in Wick Humble's book, in the upper left column on page 167. This even confuses to issue more, as the quote in his book concerning reinstalling door trim panels is "Early Zs have a chrome phillips head screw and clear-plastic trim washer to secure the lower corner at the rear". Now, this flies in the face of what I have observed, but would indicate that screws were, indeed, used to help secure door trims.

Wow, I just found the picture you were talking about, Joseph. It is on page

62 of Wick's book, lower left. His car has two phillips head screws and finish washers on either side of the door latch. For reasons Carl gave, these may have only been used on early production series 1 cars before being discontinued.

Dan

While we are talking about original interiors, this may not be the correct place, but I would like to ask if anyone has a real nice drivers side vinyl interior threshold trim piece for my series 1 that they would consider selling to me?

I have found a NOS piece, would you believe, for the passenger side and am having little success finding the other side in equally nice condition. I thought that someone may have removed one after upgrading there interior, possibly, so just thought I would ask. Thanks.

Dan

Hello Dan,

I saw some early japanese Zs also have seat cushion guards.Attached picture is Mr.Watanabe's 12/69 Z 432.

I checked again my Nov 1969 LHD parts catalog,but there is no p/n for the seat cushion guards in the seat section.Alan can tell us what is in the RHD 240Z and Fairlady-Z parts catalog said.

I saw 2 screws around a door opener of some jpanese Zs.Actualy they are all Z 432R.I am not sure,Fairlady Z,Z-L,Z432 may have screws.But it is possible I think.

Once I asked Mr.Nishi(proffessional restorer) is the screw for the door panel panel OEM or not.I told him I saw many early U.S.A. 240Z have the screw for the door panel.I said I think it is OEM,how about in Japan?He siad probablely OEM,and do not know factory or dealer installed. He told me he saw some early japanese Z has the screw,also he noticed there is no p/n for it.Mr.Nishi said some small parts are not listed on the parts catalog,this is not surprise thing.

After that I looked up my catalog,for example,hood bumpers at each side on the cowl top,it was not listed in the first printed catalog.But early Z has a hood bumper (it is very unique style,different from currently available one)I think this bumper never get p/n because when the catalog listed p/n 63840-E4100 for the hood bumper,it is already superceeded to later style(currently available one).

However,I found some very very eraly Z like used to press photo,they do not have any hood bumper on the cowl top.Please see this picture from Jan 1970issued japanese magazine Z432(we know this car PS30-00013).

Thank you,

kats

Please see this,Nov 1969 240Z's hood bumper.Also Mr.Watanabe's Dec 1969 Z432 has same bumper. I do not know the p/n for this.And I am curious about this bumper is originaly applied for other Datsun models??

Some scan from Nov 1969 LHD 240Z parts catalog.Very fun to look at.

kats

Hi Kats.

The part numbers are below from the GS-30 parts catelog...

I not sure how these options became available to other models...

Mike N

Try again with the attachment