Trouble with Hand Cranking

[lilspanisheddie]

I am trying to wake the sleeping beast and I am following the directions in the same named thread about trying to coldstart an engine that has sat. I didn't use ATF fluid but I did use Mystery Oil and was told I should get the same results. I am ataching pictures of the engine w/o the cover to see if any one notices anything out of place. I can not get the pulley to budge.

I will try it again this morning to see if any of that oil helped lossen up the motor. For clarification purposes, the 27mm bolt on the pulley that I am supposed to be trying to turn would be the bolt that lays directly behind the bottom of the fan blades and has a belt around it. Correct?:stupid:

If anything looks out of the ordinary with these pics, or if you would like a more specific pic please let me know and I will post them.

[Ed]

How long has the engine sat? There is only one 27 mm bolt on the front of the engine so you have got to have the correct one. Did you make sure that the car was out of gear? Everything looks ok in your pictures.

Try putting it in second gear and rocking the car back and forth.

[Ed]

Delete, double post.

[webdawg1]

You might want to let it sit a little bit longer. Maybe even put in about one teaspoon of motor oil in each sparkplug hole and just let it sit for about a week or so. Don't get in a hurry. You may have to try several times with the 27mm socket and breaker bar before it will break free inside the motor.

webdawg1

[JimmyZ]

You could always try turning it at the flywheel with a heavy screwdriver. Find a surface to pry against) If it won't turn at the flywheel then it is really stuck.

My2c

Jim

[Pir0San]

another idea: jack the rear end up, and put the car in 4th gear (or 5th if you have a 5 speed) and spin the passenger side rear tire. This will help spin the engine over.

[Mr Camouflage]

another idea: jack the rear end up, and put the car in 4th gear (or 5th if you have a 5 speed) and spin the passenger side rear tire. This will help spin the engine over.

That wont work, unless you leave one wheel on the ground. If both wheels are in the air and the car is in gear, all that will happen is the other wheel will spin in the opposite direction to the wheel you are turning.

[a7dz]

GO get the ATF pour a couple of teaspoons in each cyclinder and let it sit at least over night. I rocked mine back and forth with a breaker bar on the crank shaft bolt up front to get the pistons to free up. Do not get in a hurry. I spent a couple of days on mine. I put ATF in my cyclinders a year ago broke it free and then let it sit all year as I did the rest of the car getting the body and frame rework done. I wanted to let the ATF soak around the rings. The oil rings are my main concern to get them reseated after the motor turned freely.

[lilspanisheddie]

I used the ATF and let the motor sit with it poured over the crankshaft and in the cylinder holes. I got a large breaker bar and pulle dout the ol' 27mm socket and I thought I had finally gotten it to break free but I noticed that all I was doing was lossening the actual 27mm bolt. What am I doing wrong? I do not get this at all? I thought that by moving the 27mm bolt the pully would turn and I would see the pistons moving up and down on the engine.

:mad: What am I doing wrong? :mad:

[Pir0San]

That wont work, unless you leave one wheel on the ground. If both wheels are in the air and the car is in gear, all that will happen is the other wheel will spin in the opposite direction to the wheel you are turning.

oh, good point. the last time I tried the top gear tire trick was when I was working on a mustang with a posi rear end.

[EScanlon]

Jim (a7dz) said it, with the spark plugs removed and the ATF having been allowed to sit in each of the cylinders, try turning the 27mm bolt one way and then the other.

Do NOT get in a hurry about this.

Apply some pressure, but do NOT torque to 9,000 ft-lbs. All you will succeed in doing is either breaking the bolt loose or worse yet scoring the cylinders, deforming parts from over torquing, or even breaking something. The trick is to try to rotate one way, then the other in SMALL but FIRM strokes. This will eventually cause the pistons to break loose and once again slide. If this simply does NOT work, then you may have a bigger problem.

E

[=Enigma=]

Sounds to me like the easiest and best way is gong to be talking it slow with ATF in the cylinders and breaker bar on the pulley bolt. Putting the car in gear and rocking it back and forth may work faster, but it may also cause problems if the rings are really stuck. It would really suck to have it break free only to find out that you cracked a ring and scored the piston bores.

Perhaps the only thing you're doing wrong is wanting it to happen now. As a little Jedi knight once said, "Give it time young patowan."