Correct Color Of Tailight Panel Nd Grill?

[Mckrack]

My response to 26th would be simply WHAT? Can you repeat that again.

lol

[hls30.com]

Jim,

Please consider this, and only to be impartial and complete in analysis.

More than likely not one of those 16K miles on your car were driven inside, and if the car was truely pampered, they would have all been on beautiful bright sunshiney HIGH UV days!

The car sat on a ship from Japan to the USA, then it sat outside in a transfer lot, then it moved to outside storage for Datsun, then moved via open trailer to a dealership where in all likelyhood it sat outside until purchased, and spent at least some part of its driven year in open parking lots, in the California sunhine, and depending on where it was driven, smog.

I would bet if we took the original formula of enamel and painted something and left it outside in direct sun light sun, it would have noticeably faded in as few as 30 days-I don't know what that would translate to in the real world experience of your car, but I would say the 250 or so hours it took the car to get 16,000 miles plus the inevitable parking lot time would absolutely hold enough UV exposure to fade a matte finish charcoal metalic enamel paint.

The three NOS pieces I have have more than likely seen only a few minutes of UV exposure since they were made and boxed, any time based fading would also apply to the panels installed on your car as well.

Please understand I am not trying to degrade your car, I am trying only to be realistic in its uv and weather exposure to get an idea of the possability of fading.

To me I think it would be hard for any judge to argue this single point (as with many others) because of the Variation between Prince Philosophy of do it correctly no matter what, and Nissan Philosophy of get it done no matter what, and the fact that Nissan philosophy won out more often than not meaning there were undocumented parts variation.

Will

[moonpup]

We should also consider the fact that the back panels are more exposed to direct sunlight than the grill, which sits back under the lip of the hood.

[26th-Z]

I'm not trying to degrade your car either, Jim. I'm just trying to keep the playing field even and factual based. One thing I HAVE learned about Zeds is that every time something certain is established, the exception pops up. If the colors aren't the same, then what colors are they? We all seem to agree that Les has established a facsimile of "correctness", however if it is for only a certain application, then what is "correct" for the other? And to what years does this apply? Furthermore, is there an explanation why two different "colors" were used? (Actually, I think we are talking about tone / value, not color)

(edit) Oh! I believe the paint is lacquer, Will. Not enamel.

[hls30.com]

(edit) Oh! I believe the paint is lacquer, Will. Not enamel.

Do'oh, something else I didn't realize!

Thanks!

Will

[Mckrack]

I think I have the answer to my question thanks guys.

If Mr. Wenzell is judging my car I will paint the rear three piece panel and grill with Les Cannadys paint right out of the can.

If Mr. Frederick is judging my car I will paint the parts with a slightly lighter color.

If Arne or Will are judging my car I will get out Les's paint again.

If noone judges the car then I will close my eyes and point.

In the end I suppose there's nothing much else to do to after restoration so what the heck I might as welll keep my self busy.

Thanks for the discussions that's what I came to this site for.

[HS30-H]

[waving]Hello everybody![/waving]

Anybody want to buy some paint?

Toodle-oo!

[RIP260Z]

Me!!!! That will do nicely for my long restro. We can sort it out when I return your exhaust....

Cheers

Ian

[CANDYBLUE2+2]

Alright now. After having read all 4 pages of this thread and admittedly not looking at all the diffrent urls, I have come to my conclusion on this matter, if of course anybody is interested.

Ive been painting cars for nearly 30 years, and I've used just about every brand and make of paint thats come down the road. Even with all the fancy "spectometeres, cameras,and what nots" that all the paint makers have come up with, even with 30 plus more years of paint refinement and improvements, and now what is possibly the next new step in automotive painting, restoring, whatever you want to call it, waterborne basecoat paint.

These chemists are paid goo gobbs of money to do this stuff (making colors) and they can't get it perfect year after year. So what do they do. More often then not, they create a slight variation in last years color, rename it, apply a new color code and wallah, "we" have a color matching problem all over again.

Again, after reading all the comments and opinions, I can't help but ask my next question. Whos judging these cars? And if they are so well informed, why haven't they responded yet?

I have only judged a few times in my life and let me tell you all, it's alot of fun in more ways then you could imagine. The learning by itself is awesome. Everyone is an expert to some degree or another. Point is, do what looks and feels right to you and get on with the rest of the project. Have fun and drive the crap out of that thing. That is what its all about afterall. Why get it sooo perfect that all you want to do is put away in some airtight container for another 30 years, and then be way too old to enjoy it? NOTHING LASTS FOREVER.

[hls30.com]

You know, the more I think about this, the more my head hurts!

Now everyone knows why I entered a modified class! If my colors arne't right-they were a modification-

I think Henry ford had the answer.

You can have any color you want as long as it's black!

Will

[hls30.com]

McKrack,

I hate to give you yet another answer, but as planning and researching is the most productive part of a restoration for judging: here is how I plan to get a perfect 300 in the stock class at Daytona.

In going through the ZCCA rules, line by line, just towing my chassis down there and entering it stripped to the bare metal, I would get a perfect score! The rule book says: "In all categories, if something is listed on the score sheet and does not exist on that particular vehicle, it gets a perfect score in that category." No interior, paint, wheels tires, mechanical wiring, dust dings or rust would have to have a perfect score-regardless of who the judges are!

I knew presenting the judges with a NEKED 37year old geisha would probably have an impact on my score, but...whoda thunk it!

Now to choke back the tears and strip off all I have done...

Will

So I guess leaving off the tail light finisher solves the paint color issue-at least on the surface!

[geezer]

Sooo Will - Looks like you won't be needing that NOS dash?