August 9, 200717 yr comment_217869 So I recently converted my 71 auto to a 5 speed. I used a tranny out of a 81-83zx and the manual diff from the stock manual 240. I had to cut about 1.5" forward in my tranny tunnel to make room for my shifter and a 72-78 inner shift boot. This all worked out fine and it shifts perfectly, however I put my console in tried to drive around the block...CRUNCH...it crushes the console in 1st 3rd and 5th. Do I need to get one of these modified shift knobs I see in this thread? Are they just cut off, bent, and welded? I dont know if I have the means to do any of this. What can I do? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 9, 200717 yr comment_217870 Typically you trim back the fiberglass console to clear the shifter. The MSA short shifter does reduce the fore and aft throw considerabily, but I can't tell you if it will clear as I had already trimmed the console. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 9, 200717 yr comment_217885 How much do you have to trim and how do you trim it? I dont want to hurt my console Is the short shifter kit available for the late ZX trannys? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 9, 200717 yr comment_217887 Though I've never tried it, I would think, since the later ZX tranny has more room above the stock hole where the shifter mounts, you could drill holes that line up with the MSA short shifter lever from their kit and toss their little adapter plates and the hardware that goes with them. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 9, 200717 yr comment_217890 So you wouldnt need the specific year if you could rig it up? Has anyone just installed the shortshift kit to fix this problem before? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 9, 200717 yr comment_217906 I meant the specific year shift kit. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 10, 200717 yr comment_217956 How much do you have to trim and how do you trim it? I dont want to hurt my console Is the short shifter kit available for the late ZX trannys? The vertical wall of the console that contacts the shifter needs to be removed almost up to the horizontal surface. The mods does not look too obvious because the fabric shifter boot is still intact. A Dremel tool cuts the console like butter. The later short shifter kit used to be available from MSA. The early and later kits are different as well as the new shifter rods. If you really don't want to cut the console at this point I think the only option is to reweld the stock shifter as in the previous posts. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 10, 200717 yr comment_217957 On my 71 the P.O. had installed a later transmission and just broke out the front edge of the console. It looked horrible so I "fixed" it with black painted sheet metal, then when I re-installed it in the car I found out the hard way why the console was broken.I have bent and bent my sheet metal patch, but I still fear that I will have trouble keeping it in 3rd gear.Only time will tell in my case, but I agree with Curtis240Z that you would be better off to cut the forward vertical wall pretty much the whole way to the top. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 10, 200717 yr comment_217963 Well I have two extra shifters lying around and I would rather not cut my new console so I guess im going to try and go that route. Thanks guys. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 10, 200717 yr comment_217969 On my 71 the P.O. had installed a later transmission and just broke out the front edge of the console. It looked horrible so I "fixed" it with black painted sheet metal, then when I re-installed it in the car I found out the hard way why the console was broken.I have bent and bent my sheet metal patch, but I still fear that I will have trouble keeping it in 3rd gear.A nice touch is to cut open the transmission tunnel forward to fit the '72 tunnel boot and metal ring thus sealing off the outside and giving sufficient shifter clearance. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-217969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 10, 200717 yr comment_218001 That was the first thing I did but I still dont have clearance in the console. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-218001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
August 10, 200717 yr comment_218021 ......The later short shifter kit used to be available from MSA. The early and later kits are different as well as the new shifter rods........ Like I said, I've never tried it so I'm not really sure that it would work. The MSA kit consists of a shift lever that is longer from the pivot hole to the base, a couple of adapters that fit on the ears where the stock shift lever mounts, raising the pivot points and the hardware to secure them. The early stock (78) shifter fits and works in the later (83) trans. That's combination I've been running in mine for the last 10 years or so. The 83 trans has enough room above the original pivot holes to drill holes at least one inch higher than where they are now. Unless the MSA shifter raises the pivot holes higher than that, I don't see why you couldn't just drill the holes and use the shifter that comes with the kit without the rest of the stuff that comes with it other than the side and base bushings. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23128-5-speed-in-a-4-speed-question/?&page=6#findComment-218021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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