hls 51 for sale

[helopilot]

Hls 0051 for sale in Ca. I'm in VA right now or I'd be heading out. Some one get it.

Phil

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/car/307254070.html

[Montezuma]

#51 would be a 70 and not a 69? New to the number game...but it is interesting.

[sblake01]

As far as I know, all U.S. 240Z built in 1969 were 1970 model year cars. Some people like to call their early production cars '1969' but they were built way after the cutoff for that model year which is usually around July/August.

[Arne]

Hmm. Presumably a California car, and #51? With original engine? Definitely worth a look....

Who lives near Ventura?

[hls30.com]

Could be the right car, but absolutely the wrong time...for me.

Will

[e_racer1999]

if only i could convince the wife she'd rather have an s30 than a G20....

[zpizzaman20]

If this is the car I think it is we have seen it before. Owned by "ZCAR" on Ebay, who used to own a z shop. It is a project, I think these are the right pictures. He had it for sale about 4 or 5 years ago.

[26th-Z]

Hey! How about that?! $4,500 isn't a bad price for a numbers matching car. With luck, most of the original stuff is still there. And with luck, being a California car, it's in pretty good shape.

The numbers game, Montezuma, is precisely that. A numbers game. The 240Z was introduced in North America in October 1969. It had to be a 1970 model year because 1969 was almost over. What model year a manufacturer decides it should be is completely arbitrary. But yes, there really is no such thing as a 1969 model year Z. The 69ers call themselves that because of the build date. We in North America are fortunate to have a build date stamped into the ID plate in the door jamb. This allows us to have this numbers game. So we play the game.

So, somebody buy this thing - fast - and come play with us in the Low VIN Club. We have some very distinguished members. Sort of the "wine-and-cheese" crowd of the 240Z marques, we trailer our cars and rest them on epoxy garage floors. Don't fret about restoring the car. We all have cars to be restored and we're all in the same boat. But we trade parts and covet our collections. Some of us go off and do other things like write books and conduct historical research. Some day, our cars will all be restored and pristine and what a hell of a day that will be! Don't miss that show!

CW-

[sblake01]

It's in the IZCC Z Regisrty:

VIN:HLS30 00051

Production Date: 10/ 69

Color Body /Int :Green/Tan

Orig.Eng.Number:L24 002239

Owner:Charlie Dever

City/State/Cntry:Pasadena, CA

IZCC Member#:

Comments:

e-mail:

Date Registered:15/04/96

[Carl Beck]

Charile sold it to Steve - and today a man named Robert.... owns it. Never received the new owners name and info - so the old listing is still on the Register...

FWIW,

Carl B.

[sblake01]

I notice that 00488 has never shown up on the registry. I once owned it in fact I bought it new from Pomona Valley Datsun. I wonder whatever became of it.

[Carl Beck]

#51 would be a 70 and not a 69? New to the number game...but it is interesting.

and

As far as I know, all U.S. 240Z built in 1969 were 1970 model year cars. Some people like to call their early production cars '1969' but they were built way after the cutoff for that model year which is usually around July/August.

Hi Montezuma / Stephen (everyone):

#51 is actually both a 70 and a 69. It's a 1969 Production Year.. and/or a 1970 "Model Year".

It would be referred to as a 1969 "Production Year" example; to distinguish it from the rest of the 240-Z's produced during Calendar Year 1970. To collectors, the limited number of Datsun 240-Z's that were produced in Oct., Nov. and Dec. of 1969; carry a higher value than the 240-Z's produced in 1970 for a couple main reasons. First, there were a very limited number produced in 1969 - so they are far more rare to see today. Secondly because they were produced at the very beginning of the production run, several detailed aspects of them add interesting tid-bits of trivia to their rarity.

Nissan intended them to be one of their 1970 "Model Year" Line-up. So in most cases Nissan's Authorized Dealers sold them and titled them as such.

However, because of previous practices from the 50's and 60's - when Foreign Car Manufacturers held their Model Year vehicles concurrent with the Calendar Year - a few Datsuns were still being sold and titled in various States, based on their Production Year..... ie... a 240-Z produced in 1969 could have would have been sold and titled by the Authorized Dealer as a 1969 Model Datsun 240-Z, based on the Manufacturers Statement Of Origin {MSO} . - See the title for HLS30 00020 below for an example.

I understand from some of the forum members here - that in Australia cars were always advertised, sold and titled based on the calendar year in which they were first sold, regardless of production year or model designations given by the manufacturers.

With the introduction of U.S. Federal Legislation related to Safety Standards and Emission Controls for automobiles in 1967, the automobile manufacturers, that sold automobiles in the U.S. all "started" to align the release and sale of their new models to a more standard set of dates. That was because the way the Federal Laws were written, required Safety and Emissions Standards were implemented, and were to be complied with by specific calendar dates.

So we see that in the USA:

The Series I 240-Z's started regular production in Oct. of 69 (Sold as 69, 70 and 71 Model Years)

The Series II 240-Z's started regular production in Jan. of 71 (Sold as 1971 Model Year)

The Series III 240-Z's started regular production in Sept. of 71 (Sold as 1972 Model Year)

The Series IV 240-Z's started regular production in Aug. of 72 (Sold as 1973 Model Year)

The 260-Z's started regular production in Aug. of 73 (Sold as 1974 Model Year)

The 280-Z's started regular production in Dec. of 74...... Regular production was delayed because of a shortage of the necessary F.I. Parts, and delays in getting the 280-Z certified by the U.S. Federal Government for sale in the U.S.

FWIW,

Carl B.