Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[kats]

Awesome history Kats. Fun to watch and interesting to see.

Thank you Gary, I am sorry I missed it.

kats

[kats]

This is almost in topic. Finn-spec 240z's had 5 speed gearbox and foglights factory installed. Here's a review from 1972 and few nice pics too. Nice white interior, shifter knob seems different than normal.

I couldnt import the pdf:s for some reason. It just wont let me upload them in here so i uploaded them in different place

Here's first http://reverend.kuvat.fi/kuvat/1.pdf press the blue hyperlink under the picture to download or open it larger.

Second http://reverend.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2.pdf

Hello Koalia,

Thank you for the link,I see the car it seems to me tipical 1972 Euro spec car.

The fog lights, and the wheels, I have never seen them before.

My fog lights were listed on the Japanese brochure,the fog in the picture was listed in the Euro brochure?

kats

[kats]

Man great thread, with all this talk about the S20 I am wondering, if one could get the s20 for a decent price would it be worth it to put it in a 240z over the L Gata? Also what trannys do the 432's originally come with? are they even similar to the L series tranny's?

Hello NismoZ,

I was thinking same way like you, to install S20 into the U.S. HLS30.

But as I deeply researched about S20 and Z432, I reached the answer which I should quit my idea, I finally found the best way is to buy a Z432.

As Alan already said, Z432 is perfect for the package.No need to modify to have fun.Good gear ratio of 5 speed and a good final gear with LSD, and good suspension and, S20 engine. If you put only a S20 into the U.S. HLS30, you will be disappointment about the S20.

Or if you put a L24 with Webber or Solex into the Z432, I think you will be happy.Or maybe you will need to arrange a final gear slightly.

kats

[kats]

Thank you Carl about the figures.

Hello xs10shl,

How are you doing? Have you been enjoyining your Z432 and GTRs ?

About jet settings, my Z432 had tried lots of variations.But , the factory setting is the best for me,it is good for street.

These are factory installed jets,

Air #180

Main #135

Pilot #52.5

NGK B7ES

I put like this,

Air #210

Main #145

Pilot # 60

NGK B8ES

This was too rich,I think.

kats

PS: Now Z432 got the oil cooler.

Edited October 27, 2010 by kats

[Carl Beck]

The fog lights, and the wheels, I have never seen them before.

Hi Kats:

The wheels are Dunlop wheels. Formula D4 I believe.

They were also used on the 1972 OMS Pace Car. I tried to order a set back in 72, but the Dunlop Wheel Distributor {BAP/GEON} said that they were not DOT approved for sale in the U.S. - so they couldn't get them.

FWIW,

Carl B.

[kats]

Thank you Carl, the pace car is cool:) Nice photo!

Here are some pictures of "1972 Fairlady-240Z" , HS30S (L24 engined, STD:basic model)

We do not see many this HS30S or S30S in Japan, these basic model is rarer than Z432 I think.

No defroster on the back glass (but this car has a tinted glass,not like a 1969

240Z with clear non defog)

no carpets but rubber mats,

no rubber guards for the bumper,

I missed to check about the inside mirror which has day/night mode or not, according to the service bulletin, all S30 in Japan except Z432-R have a day/night mirror.

Please see the radio and fuse cover, the radio does not have an auto antenna,it is a manual extention one.

No switch for delux, no auto signal seeking.

A blank plate for the defroster:) The far right should also be a blank plate but this one has a poor rubber piece on it.

kats

[Mike B]

Very nice Kats. Thanks for sharing these.

No defroster on the back glass (but this car has a tinted glass,not like a 1969 240Z with clear non defog)

Interesting that it had tinted glass, but no defroster. Was the rest of the glass also tinted? If so, did the earlier base model Fairlady's have clear glass?

-Mike

[kats]

:)Mike, good question,

All S30 in Japan, even S30S basic model have tinted glass for all over the car except Z432-R.

The part number is 72631-E4100 for the front.

Z432-R, only a front wind shield is clear glass, others are plexiglass(they are clear of cource).

Did you know Z432-R's front wind shiled part number is 72631-E4600

This means Z432-R borrowed it from export model,does not it?

So, Mike your clear glasses are very special and rare nowadays.

kats

[Mike B]

Kats,

Did I ever show you pictures of the NOS windshield I put in my HLS30-00032? It is the clear glass 72631-E4600. I was very lucky to find it. Someone that lives near by had bought it many years ago for a restoration, but never finished the car. It is interesting that my windshield has a sticker on it that say S-30S-FH on it. The S-30S is the Fairlady base model, correct? I wonder what the FH means?

-Mike

[kats]

Hi Mike,

I did not know that you got the NOS windshield!

I do not have any idea "FH" means.And I am wondering , why this sticker says

"S-30S" , S30S is the basic model "Fairlady-Z" , even though this model,all Japanese models except Z432-R have tinted glass from the factory .

If this clear glass for Z432-R, it should be"PS30SB"

Attached picture is a part number label, both for my DATSUN 240Z when the car was in restoration.I have got the NOS glasses from the Yahoo auction.

90301-E4101 is for the rear, tinted and heated.This one is exactly correct

for the original, as I see the marking (NISSAN ASAHI DOT...)on the edge of

left bottom corner.

72631-E4100 is for the front,tinted glass.But this glass does not have original marking,NISSAN and ASAHI is on it but other number is different from the old original one.I think this was made later for the replacement part.But not so later because the part number label is old style.

kats

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[Mike B]

And I am wondering , why this sticker says

"S-30S" , S30S is the basic model "Fairlady-Z" , even though this model,all Japanese models except Z432-R have tinted glass from the factory .

If this clear glass for Z432-R, it should be"PS30SB"

Hi Kats,

In a thread from a couple years ago Alan noted that the S-30S also had all clear glass as standard equipment http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showpost.php?p=236873&postcount=9. Is that not correct?

-Mike

[kats]

Hi Mike,

Good point, I have to check again.The reason why I told S30S with a tinted glass is,

I cant see clear glass for S30S in the parts catalog nor service bulletin.

The green 240Z(HS30S) has a tinted glass, this is the only one I have ever saw "basic model S30". And this car is 1972, I have never seen early one like 1969/1970.

They(publishing) are not always collect as we know, the true answer would be seen in actual cars which we received.Early ones would have clear glass, and this green car could have tinted as an option.

If Alan is collect, then we can understand why Mike's NOS glass has "S30S" on the label.It makes sence very much.

kats

Edited November 19, 2010 by kats