Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[kats]

Gavin , thanks, please let us know it !

And Australia and New Zealand got  the most powerful engined  S30  ever same as the UK and Europe in September 1973 ?

Kats

Edited December 6, 2018 by kats

[bartsscooterservice]

Love the 2000gt also. But there's a big difference in technology in favor of the S30, namely:

Until the 1930s virtually every car had a structural frame, separate from its body. This construction design is known as body-on-frame ( 2000gt ). Over time, nearly all passenger cars have migrated to unibody construction ( S30 ), meaning their chassis and bodywork have been integrated into one another.

I find it funny no one ever talks about thi in the whole 2000gt VS S30 debate lol, since the S30 is in fact for it's time it came out was way ahead of it's time ( with many other features on the S30 to ), with the unibody construction, while many US car manufacturers still used the body on frame design...

 

[HS30-H]

2 hours ago, bartsscooterservice said:

Love the 2000gt also. But there's a big difference in technology in favor of the S30, namely:

Until the 1930s virtually every car had a structural frame, separate from its body. This construction design is known as body-on-frame ( 2000gt ). Over time, nearly all passenger cars have migrated to unibody construction ( S30 ), meaning their chassis and bodywork have been integrated into one another.

I find it funny no one ever talks about thi in the whole 2000gt VS S30 debate lol, since the S30 is in fact for it's time it came out was way ahead of it's time ( with many other features on the S30 to ), with the unibody construction, while many US car manufacturers still used the body on frame design...

 

Toyota's MF10 2000GT was never envisioned as a mass-market product, so the high costs of press tooling for a unitary body were out of the question. Instead, a relatively modern and fairly sophisticated backbone chassis was chosen - similar to that in the Lotus Type 26 Elan, which debuted in 1962.

I wouldn't say that the S30-series Z unibody/unitary body was "way ahead of its time". In principle the unit body idea was established and in use in the 1930s, but if we are looking at relatively inexpensive sports/GT cars then the MGB, which debuted in 1962, is a good example of prior use a good 8 years before the Z.

[RIP260Z]

On 12/6/2018 at 2:44 AM, kats said:

Hi Ian , thanks , I am now learning about the air inlet , but I did not know that , looking at the catalog did not tell it to me .

I studied HMB 46 has many new features , one of them is a power jet when the throttle butterfly is wide open . 

Kats

Hi Kats,

I think the air box, the much maligned HMB46 carbs and the different intake manifold (N42) added a good bit to the extra bhp of the European 260Z, and not just down to extra cc's over the 240Z's L24.

[Gav240z]

The flat top HMB46 carbs are very misunderstood. Nobody takes the time to properly understand their operation and therefore people think ditching them is the solution. Unfortunately the internet being want it is, it means once a rumour and story takes hold it gets repeated often enough that people believe it's the truth.

Hence many have been thrown out over the years unnecessarily..sad really.

[kats]

Thank you bartsscooterservice, 

I think S30 was modern in many ways , unibody is one of them . 

Thanks Alan , yes S30 was a huge quantity model , Nissan Shatai reached 6000 S30 cars per month in April 1972 ! While Toyota 2000 GT was 30 cars per month , big difference.

Unibody is good for less weight, for example Z432 is 1040 kg , ( S20 Engine 199kg ) , Toyota 2000GT 1145 kg ( 3M Engine 209 kg ) . 

Courtesy モーターワールド Nov 1970 , 

自動車の実務 Feb 1970 ,

月間自動車 Jan 1970 .

Kats

 

 

[kats]

Oh , this Toyota 2000GT is an automatic, "TOYO GLIDE" model. And an airconditioning blowere has to sit in the middle of the both seats ! No space in a dashboard, while S30 (Fairlady Z /Fairlady 240Z series except Z432 and Z432-R) has an in-dash airconditioning system assembled in a factory.

Did you notice Toyota 2000GT has the same seat belts which manufactured by TAKATA , I saw it in some Honda models too.  

Kats

Edited December 11, 2018 by kats

[kats]

Hi Ian and Gavin , thanks for your input , this place ( classiczcars.com ) changed my image  “ flat top “ . I just don’t know what it is like , I had  just followed the rumors without having experience with it . 

I have a friend whose car has flat tops and really mint condition, I must see it and feel it .

Kats

[kats]

Hi , I replaced a battery of my Z432 . This is small one , so associated parts such as a tray /a  holder / a cap everything is different from the export S30 cars . The negative terminal is smaller , so you need to have a specific cable for this Japanese S30 . 

However , there was an optional item “ battery for cold erea “ in Japan , in that case you will have the same big battery as an export S30 . 

To make a label , I used a paper bag for the key as a donor, then modified it to have some authentic look .

Kats

Edited December 12, 2018 by kats

[kats]

About the fender mirrors, not bad in the rain .

Kats

[Woody928]

On 12/12/2018 at 1:58 AM, kats said:

About the fender mirrors, not bad in the rain .

Kats

You're slowly convincing me that OEM fender mirrors are actually very functional and a great idea.... I mean I already know that they look great! 

Do they have any downfalls? 

[wheee!]

3 hours ago, Woody928 said:

You're slowly convincing me that OEM fender mirrors are actually very functional and a great idea.... I mean I already know that they look great! 

Do they have any downfalls? 

- Fitting a car cover

- working on the engine and leaning over the fenders

- people "playing" with them in parking lots

- cost almost $600 US ($900 cdn)

but yes....very cool!