Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[Patcon]

6 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

Hi Kats,

I'm with you completely.

There are really only one or two cars in my life that I regret not buying when I had the chance. And a Dino 246 is one of them. I had the opportunity to buy one of them a bunch of years ago before the prices reached their current level and I did not buy it. I should have. When you posted those pics of your Z next to the Dino, it reminded me about that.

There's another saying in the US.... "Don't cry over spilled milk."  It means "don't spend time worrying about things that occurred in the past which you can't change now."   

In the end, however, I think I would be afraid to drive the Dino because of the value. I think it would just sit in the garage because I didn't want to risk taking it out.

That's funny.

My grandmother offered to loan me 10k in high school to buy one I saw. I declined...I didn't think owing my grandmother money was going to be a good thing.

I am also too big for it now anyway. I doubt it would have survived my wildness even if I had been able to afford it. They have such beautiful curves though!!!!

[psdenno]

26 minutes ago, Patcon said:

My grandmother offered to loan me 10k in high school to buy one I saw. I declined...I didn't think owing my grandmother money was going to be a good thing.

In debt to Grandma or the opportunity to become the coolest kid in High School?  That is a moral dilemma!  

At the local high school it's easy to tell the student parking lot from the teacher parking lot.  No Dinos, but the better, newer, cars are in the student lot.

Dennis

[Patcon]

6 minutes ago, psdenno said:

In debt to Grandma or the opportunity to become the coolest kid in High School?  That is a moral dilemma!  

At the local high school it's easy to tell the student parking lot from the teacher parking lot.  No Dinos, but the better, newer, cars are in the student lot.

Dennis

Yeah, I suspect she would have leveraged that money alot!!! Could you come mow the grass, rake the leaves, clean the gutters, wax the cars, etc. and that wouldn't have reduced the debt at all...

I doubt the car would have survived my showing out in high school as we as all the "altered state" driving we did.

[kats]

On 12/18/2018 at 10:49 PM, HS30-H said:

Kats,

The S20 main bearing caps are "cross bolted". Enthusiasts of high performance engines are familiar with these as many 'Extra Duty' engines were designed like this from the factory. The advantages are in helping to eliminate 'crank walk' and 'fretting' (where the crankshaft deforms the main bearing caps and block casting) and helping to keep the engine block casting's shape and size during heat cycles and high rpm use.

As you will notice, the machinists at the factory marked the block/oil pan mating face with the 'grading' measurement for the correct shim size on each cross-bolt to help the engine builder. This is a labour-intensive operation of the type still performed by Nissan's 'Takumi' engine builders for the VR38 engine, and it is a mark of quality. 'Hand Made' still means something today too.

That's a wonderful pile of NOS shims you have found there! You can become a specialist supplier now. When I rebuilt my ex-432 S20 engine it was very hard to find these kinds of parts (valve lash caps in various sizes were also a problem) but the situation seems much better these days. Now I know where to go when I build engine no.3...

 

Hi Alan ,

I am checking parts what I have ? (for my PLS30 project?  )  but I don’t have skills and don’t have an experience to  build an engine . I sometimes dream about doing it by myself under supervisor . 

To be honest, just looking at those interesting parts without assembling is the  most fun and happiest moment for me . When I put the parts once , then I can’t see the most of them .

Alan , or anyone please teach me , a bolt for securing a head and a block , Kameari -Engine Works sells “ Kyoka- type “ head bolt. Does it means more durable? More stiff ? I think it can be tighten much more higher torque than the one from Nissan original. 

But , I don’t think it is a good idea to tighten the bolts more than specifically directed in the service manual.

So , why people want “ Kyoka- type “aftermarket  bolts for the place which is specifically directed tightening torque? Here is the website Kameari Engine Works ,

http://www.kameariengineworks.co.jp/Catalogue-v3/catalogue-035-S20-NEW-20181203.pdf

I missed Nissan stock head bolts , I am thinking to buy Kameari or wait for another Nissan original new  bolts ( but I don’t know when it comes up next ! )

Kats

Alan , let me know when you begin your the third  S20 engine building!! 

Edited December 20, 2018 by kats

[kats]

“ So that means early 260z's in Australia got the flat tops, but no charcoal canister and no air pump until later in 1974.“

Thanks Gavin, that is a very good information. The canister would  not affect  its max power , so the 260Z except on the US got 162 ? PS , right ? 

As a side note , the still born Fairlady-260Z had a 170 PS engine with an electric fuel injector. I wish I could have the car , I hate “ oil crisis “ which affected automobile manufacturers.

Kats

And the parts catalog , very very nice, thanks !!

[kats]

Hi Captain , I remember I learned “ don’t cry over spilled milk “ in junior high school! 

So I need to be calm down to avoid rushing into something “ not right “  for me . Or if I decide to go for a new world , I shall not look back where I used to be ...

Hi Blue , your Chinese friends are saying that , we have same words in Japan !!

So , we say “ don’t be a half way . If you stand up way tall , you won’t be hammered. If you can’t , just be nice like everyone.” 

Kats

[Gav240z]

19 minutes ago, kats said:

The canister would  not affect  its max power , so the 260Z except on the US got 162 ? PS , right ? 

According to my GRS30 engine bay ID plate that's correct.

https://www.viczcar.com/forum/gallery/image/7430-img_20181103_181003jpg/

19 minutes ago, kats said:

As a side note , the still born Fairlady-260Z had a 170 PS engine with an electric fuel injector. I wish I could have the car , I hate “ oil crisis “ which affected automobile manufacturers.

I agree, I think it could have been a great GT car. Speaking of 2/2's what is the perception of them in Japan? It seems many people turn their noses up at the extended roof line. Having owned and driven both I liked my 2+2. The shape isn't quite as beautiful, but it was still a fantastic car and I would say in some ways a better handling more stable car.

19 minutes ago, kats said:

And the parts catalog , very very nice, thanks !!

I thought you might already have a copy, I have a hard copy and PDF (I sent you). It is very useful.

[kats]

Gavin, nowadays, people want two seaters for Z cars , but at that time sales volume of 2/2 was a noticeable, I can’t say precisely now but when I am home I can introduce some magazines  which have very interesting interviews with Nissan engineers. I remember something about 2/2 , they sold more than two seaters in Japan , like that . 

And interesting story about the roof line which I found in a magazine, the engineers 

were thinking about “ father “ and “ his son “ . Father pay for the car , his son of course wants to take the steering wheel. So , the engineers said “  there should be a respect for father . The best is same roof as two seater but , in that case father would feel uncomfortable. We took comfortable for the rear seat passenger,  so the roof had to be like that “ .

About the RHD parts catalog, I only have a December 1970 issued ?.

Kats

[kats]

Hi Patcon , you have a very kind grandmother, you were lucky student but , you did not take it , you are kind too . Are you too big to fit ? You don’t look that way for me ?

Thanks psdenno , I like that high school story, that is funny!

Kats

[Patcon]

1 hour ago, kats said:

Hi Patcon , you have a very kind grandmother, you were lucky student but , you did not take it , you are kind too . Are you too big to fit ? You don’t look that way for me ?

Thanks psdenno , I like that high school story, that is funny!

Kats

I am very close to 2 metres tall.

A little big for all the older Ferraris. I guess they finally realized they needed pro athletes to be able to fit in their cars.

[bartsscooterservice]

2 hours ago, Patcon said:

I am very close to 2 metres tall.

A little big for all the older Ferraris. I guess they finally realized they needed pro athletes to be able to fit in their cars.

I'm pretty tall to. Talking about Ferrari's... I can barely fit in my 1970 Mustang with the seat all the way back ( wonder how tall americans where back in the day those little fellas ?! ), the 240Z in that case gives me much more room. It's funny...

[HS30-H]

19 hours ago, kats said:

Hi Alan ,

I am checking parts what I have ? (for my PLS30 project?  )  but I don’t have skills and don’t have an experience to  build an engine . I sometimes dream about doing it by myself under supervisor . 

To be honest, just looking at those interesting parts without assembling is the  most fun and happiest moment for me . When I put the parts once , then I can’t see the most of them .

Alan , or anyone please teach me , a bolt for securing a head and a block , Kameari -Engine Works sells “ Kyoka- type “ head bolt. Does it means more durable? More stiff ? I think it can be tighten much more higher torque than the one from Nissan original. 

But , I don’t think it is a good idea to tighten the bolts more than specifically directed in the service manual.

So , why people want “ Kyoka- type “aftermarket  bolts for the place which is specifically directed tightening torque? Here is the website Kameari Engine Works ,

http://www.kameariengineworks.co.jp/Catalogue-v3/catalogue-035-S20-NEW-20181203.pdf

I missed Nissan stock head bolts , I am thinking to buy Kameari or wait for another Nissan original new  bolts ( but I don’t know when it comes up next ! )

Kats

Alan , let me know when you begin your the third  S20 engine building!!

Kats,

About the Kameari 'Kyoka' bolts/studs for the S20 engine: This is not really any different to the upgraded bolts and studs offered for any other engine today. In fact, Kameari proudly state that they are made by ARP - probably the most trusted brand for this kind of item worldwide. ARP are almost a byword for quality and integrity, and they offer parts for our L-gata engines too. The advantage of such bolts and studs is that they are stronger for the same or similar torque settings, are often made from better materials than the OEM equipment due to advances in metallurgy, heat treatments and finishes, as well as retrospective re-engineering. Replacing factory bolts with ARP studs and nuts is very common these days and is certainly wiser than using old and/or untested parts. And when you can't see them inside the engine they are not going to be offensive to the eye.

I think you could easily rebuild an S20 yourself, Kats. They are beautifully designed and engineered, and a pleasure to assemble. It's not one big job, it's just lots of small ones. You can do it!

When I start to build S20 no.3 I'll let you know. I'll probably be needing some of those parts you've got there! But before that, I have to build an 'interesting' L24-based engine for the ex-Kuwashima san 240ZG. It's in the body shop being painted now.