Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[Gav240z]

There is some amazing stuff going for auction here.

http://bhauction.jp/en/

[kats]

Yeah , I reported results here , 

Kats

[kats]

If I were the buyer , I would disassemble the S20 engine. I need to see it is rebuilt correctly with correct parts . The seller said it is rebuilt already, but looking at neither non restored nor non replaced bolts and nuts on the engine block , I would be suspicious about the rebuilding quality.

Even if the bolts and nuts was shining, and not informed who is the rebuilder, I would disassemble the engine. 

Kats

Edited January 12, 2019 by kats

[kats]

Hi Gavin , I now found you have a wheel which is like Z432 type , but different off set , and non - center cap type .

And is it taper nut type ? 

And it is not the same the one on the front of the 1971 Montecarlo Rally car .

Alan , could you tell us how many types there were for the works rally car .

The gold is Gavin’s wheel

The gray is mine 

And two old pictures from Nissan Craft Magazine “Fairlady Z “ .

Kats

Edited January 12, 2019 by kats

[Gav240z]

Hi Kats,

I have 3 wheels in total, I got them from someone who bought second hand performance parts from Nissan (in the rally scene) back in the 90s.

Originally there was another "wide" version also. 2 wide 2 narrow, but 1 of those had a crack and he decided to find out what a magnesium fire looked like and put 1 of the wheels on a bon fire.

Sad I know, but he had no idea what these wheels really were and had stored them for years as a curiosity more than anything else.

I got them off him for a very reasonable price and couldn't believe my luck to be honest.

Not only that, but someone else had another 1 in the town / region of Ballarat (narrow version like the photo you attached) and was willing to sell it to me cheap ($100) but I found it difficult to get out that way to collect (seller wouldn't post) and in the end he gave it to a friend to use as a hose reel! *Sigh*. Same person sold a good set to 1 of the only Z432 owners in Australia not long ago. (Think he got them for a steal!) I will try and find photos of that car.

The left over wheels was however also damaged / cracked and Alan wasn't sure how easy it could be repaired when I sent him photos. I will dig out pics again if I can.

Alan informed me the narrow wheel was likely used on 4 cylinder rally cars that competed in the Southern Cross rally (perhaps the Datsun Violet SSS rally cars?) Which came through in the period, but the wide version was definitely left over from the works rally S30z's.

I would love to use these wheels at some point, but not sure what to do about the odd pairing. Worst case scenario they will become garage ornaments, perhaps my Ikeda Bussan seats with look good next to them on display? (Currently out of the car for now)...The S30z enthusiasts will know what they represent.

Reproductions can never match the originals.

[Gav240z]

Here is the damaged 4 cylinder version (no centre caps) / solid spoke. Like the other 2 I have already. So even if I got it, I'd still be 1 short of a complete set!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/J7UHEXSJWeUtz6r66

You can see the chipped centre hub / area and hairline crack on the outer rim.

It is now living a peace life of retirement as someone's garden hose reel. I'm unsure if I should push the previous owner for his friends details to try and rescue it from retirement or not. What do you think?

Magnesium wheel repair is tricky.

[kats]

I see Gavin, it is a good idea to prepare for getting  the “ garden wheel “ ,  then you will have three of the “ 4 cylinder “ narrow version. Then wait for a chance to have one more . Also you may wait to have wide version three or more for your alternative choice . Good luck !!

The 1971 Safari winner car , from モーターマガジン

Kats

[Gav240z]

On 1/13/2019 at 1:22 AM, kats said:

I see Gavin, it is a good idea to prepare for getting  the “ garden wheel “ ,  then you will have three of the “ 4 cylinder “ narrow version. Then wait for a chance to have one more . Also you may wait to have wide version three or more for your alternative choice . Good luck !!

The 1971 Safari winner car , from モーターマガジン

Kats

Hi Kats,

Well I'm back on the wild goose chase, hunting that wheel down. Got the contacts of the new owner and have sent them a message on Facebook. Let's hope I can secure it! Not sure if it can be repaired or not. Only 1 way to find out.

Attached is a 710 Datsun Violet with the 4 cylinder 5.5j version of the Kobe Seiko wheels, similar the Z432 style.

I also managed to find a photo of the Z432 Fairlady Z in Australia (white car), owned by the same person who owns the ex-George Fury Nissan Bluebird race car.

In this photo it appears to be wearing Watanabe's. I'm trying to see if I can find more photos of it!

It must be odd to see a car like this (quintessentially Japanese) on Australia streets for you? I know it was odd for me to see an Australian Holden Monaro at an Irish (Terenure) car show many years ago now. (2012). It was so familiar, but so out of place in rainy old Ireland.

[kats]

Good luck Gavin , fingers crossed !

I didn’t know an early white Z432 is in Australia ! Some years ago , a white one ( 1970 made ) was on sale in Shizuoka prefecture , would it be the one ? Or another 1970 made white one also was on sale in Nagasaki prefecture. Anyway , let us know when you see the car in perso?n .

Kats

[240260280]

On 1/14/2019 at 8:18 AM, Gav240z said:

 I know it was odd for me to see an Australian Holden Monaro at an Irish (Terenure) car show many years ago now. (2012). It was so familiar, but so out of place in rainy old Ireland

 

 

Ireland has loads of used  JDM's on the roads. ... and other Holdens: 5.7 V8 "El Camino" https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/holden-hsv-r8-maloo-ute/20685193

 

My fav "cheapy": https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/x2-toyota-sera-cars-butterfly-doors-racer-seats/19804458

[Gav240z]

My old landlord's friend hate a ute like that in Ireland, it was always so strange seeing it whilst living over there.

33 minutes ago, 240260280 said:

Ireland has loads of used  JDM's on the roads. ... and other Holdens: 5.7 V8 "El Camino" https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/holden-hsv-r8-maloo-ute/20685193

My fav "cheapy": https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/x2-toyota-sera-cars-butterfly-doors-racer-seats/19804458

 

2 hours ago, kats said:

Good luck Gavin , fingers crossed !

I didn’t know an early white Z432 is in Australia ! Some years ago , a white one ( 1970 made ) was on sale in Shizuoka prefecture , would it be the one ? Or another 1970 made white one also was on sale in Nagasaki prefecture. Anyway , let us know when you see the car in perso?n .

Kats

To be honest Kats I don't know much about it or where it came from. The owner is a bit tight lipped (which is fair enough). It's currently up in Queesland, so not sure when I'll get to see it, but when I do I'll take a bunch of photos.

[Gav240z]

Hey Kats,

Found more photos of it.

 

I've definitely seen it with the Kobe Seiko wheels, but can't find a photo of that!

 

 

Edited January 17, 2019 by Gav240z