Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[kats]

On 2/4/2022 at 10:51 AM, xs10shl said:

Is that Rally Car 8D-420? There's a glare just over the number.

(edit: somehow miraculously worked my way through the on-line screens of the SAN EI publisher, and bought an online version.  Great books! BTW, yes: 8D-420, which is the car featured in 1/71 Auto Sport.  They've made a few changes to it after the photo shoot, prior to this show.) 

Hi xs10shl, I didn’t know that there are online books ! It must be much better quality of the pictures, I think. 
 

And The car 8D-420 , thanks for clarifying it for us . Now I have a question , did the car raced in Monte Carlo? The Caption says “ raced in Monte Carlo “ , I was thinking 8D-420 was a test car . I am dreaming about this car would still be sleeping in someone’s dark warehouse .
Kats

[kats]

On 2/4/2022 at 2:40 PM, zed2 said:

Kats,

Does Mr. Uekubo have a website which shows the restoration process?

Regards,

Keith

Hi Keith , Mr.Uekubo is a very passionate about Z cars , but not so interested in showing his work. But he had been taking pictures step by step , and they became into a big photo album . I was so amazed by it . 

Now I have got my another blue on blue , I may not be able to do like Mr. Uekubo , but trying to do myself as much as I can . First , cleaning inside , found some coins and tickets.

Maybe someone thinks me I am idiot smiling about these fatale broken seats . But for me , they are an early “ thick padding “ seat backs which has so beautiful shape .And they are blue ! For me This is for the first time ever seeing blue original seat actually . My previous blue car already lost blue seats when I purchased, so I was waiting for this opportunity since 2000 . 
I am so excited .

Kats

[xs10shl]

8D-420: This is only the second picture I've ever seen of this specific car, so I know very little about it. Visually and appointment-wise, it shares much with the other 1971 Monte Carlo cars, including the center console switchgear layout.  That said, it's missing a few components as well that were installed on the cars that actually rallied. Just based on my limited knowledge, I'd venture to say that I think the same as you: that this was a 1970 test mule the Works team used to try things out, and it probably never actually competed. Perhaps Alan knows a bit more about it.

I wonder what happened to 8D-420.  I can also only dream as you do, that it was saved from the crusher, and ended up safely tucked away in a warehouse somewhere. 

Edited February 5, 2022 by xs10shl

[kats]

On 7/4/2017 at 3:51 PM, kats said:

Today I would like to show you this , my poor hand drawing, can you tell what I am thinking about .

Kats

Yesterday, my #2146 did a fuel dumping at Fukumoto san’s work shop , the fuel was so stink , and very sticky. Just a little inspection by fiber scope , I see some rust in the fuel tank. 

Now I am thinking an old pipe dream again. Or do I stick with a stock ? I tend to think having fun with a S20 .

Kats

[Gav240z]

4 hours ago, kats said:

Now I am thinking an old pipe dream again. Or do I stick with a stock ? I tend to think having fun with a S20 .

I would love to put an S20 engine in my Safari Gold 240z. But I'm afraid of what it would cost to make it happen.

I've seen long blocks advertised for as much as $80k AUD. That's before all the ancillaries and supporting parts required.

[Gav240z]

4 hours ago, kats said:

 

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Edited February 10, 2022 by Gav240z
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[HS30-H]

On 2/5/2022 at 2:59 PM, xs10shl said:

8D-420: This is only the second picture I've ever seen of this specific car, so I know very little about it. Visually and appointment-wise, it shares much with the other 1971 Monte Carlo cars, including the center console switchgear layout.  That said, it's missing a few components as well that were installed on the cars that actually rallied. Just based on my limited knowledge, I'd venture to say that I think the same as you: that this was a 1970 test mule the Works team used to try things out, and it probably never actually competed. Perhaps Alan knows a bit more about it.

I wonder what happened to 8D-420.  I can also only dream as you do, that it was saved from the crusher, and ended up safely tucked away in a warehouse somewhere. 

Great photos!

As far as I am aware, 8D-420 was never given a road registration and was purely used as a Works rally team test car in Japan, and mostly on Nissan's off-road/rally test ground near Mount Asama. One of its interesting features was a full six point roll bar. Apparently the front bars dropping down from over the doors and following the A pillars were felt to be too intrusive (certainly for occupant legroom and comfort, but possibly impairing vision too) and were dropped for the following cars, so they only used the main hoop and two vertical drops.

None of the early lightweight rally 'test' cars survived, to my knowledge. Some parts were recycled back into the system at Oppama, with 'shells 'written off' the ledgers and broken up to keep the accountants happy. Nothing would make me happier than the discovery of another long-thought-lost example, but the possibility seems very remote.

One from the collection: Testing on the Mount Asama course.

 

[HS30-H]

5 hours ago, kats said:

Now I am thinking an old pipe dream again. Or do I stick with a stock ? I tend to think having fun with a S20 .

Blue-on-blue early PLS30U phantom? That sounds like a fun project!

[xs10shl]

S20 - wow that would be a great project- but certainly manageable. A long time ago I *briefly* considered converting a clapped out KPGC10 from RHD to LHD, but I quickly came to my senses.  An S30 conversion would be much more straightforward. Assuming you had all the prerequisite pieces- engine, mount, bellhousing, etc - there is not too much to fabricate.  Custom Manifold, probably.  Maybe a little electrical redesign. What else?

(edit: I'm just talking making an HLS30 with an S20 powerplant, of course.  If the goal was an LHD Z432-spec, then there are a few more things to do)

Edited February 10, 2022 by xs10shl

[kats]

On 2/10/2022 at 6:02 PM, HS30-H said:

Great photos!

As far as I am aware, 8D-420 was never given a road registration and was purely used as a Works rally team test car in Japan, and mostly on Nissan's off-road/rally test ground near Mount Asama. One of its interesting features was a full six point roll bar. Apparently the front bars dropping down from over the doors and following the A pillars were felt to be too intrusive (certainly for occupant legroom and comfort, but possibly impairing vision too) and were dropped for the following cars, so they only used the main hoop and two vertical drops.

None of the early lightweight rally 'test' cars survived, to my knowledge. Some parts were recycled back into the system at Oppama, with 'shells 'written off' the ledgers and broken up to keep the accountants happy. Nothing would make me happier than the discovery of another long-thought-lost example, but the possibility seems very remote.

One from the collection: Testing on the Mount Asama course.

 

Thank you so much Alan for sharing a cool picture! 
Kats

[kats]

17 hours ago, xs10shl said:

- there is not too much to fabricate.  Custom Manifold, probably.  Maybe a little electrical redesign. What else?

 

On 2/10/2022 at 6:08 PM, HS30-H said:

Blue-on-blue early PLS30U phantom? That sounds like a fun project!

 

On 2/10/2022 at 5:09 PM, Gav240z said:

I would love to put an S20 engine in my Safari Gold 240z. But I'm afraid of what it would cost to make it happen.

I am also thinking about “Nissan genuine  air-con “ which was offered only in Fairlady Z series . I assume no Datsun 240Z was offered it from the factory, but look at pieces of the components, I am convinced that Nissan engineers were considering it would have been also available for LHD export market .
I have been collecting  parts for whole system and mostly done. Some parts are just fit into the existing components and some other parts needs just a little work . 
That is why our LHD 240Z has some  “ not used “ brackets on the heater box , pre-cut on the fire wall insulator pad . 

So , “PLS30” with a factory in-dash air con system , a combination of sportier performance with comfortable cabin would have made the car  to be a gorgeous GT . Surprisingly S20 has a special crank pulley for air-con with a part number E4200 ( Z432 oriented) , but I can’t see other air-con parts specifically made for Z432 . Nissan never officially offered air -con for Z432 . But I have seen some Z432 have the system using from Fairlady ZL system .

In 1970 , it could have been around 6000 USD ( based on 1 USD for 360 JPY) , no more bargain price? What do you think?
 

Kats

Edited February 11, 2022 by kats
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[SteveJ]

Thank you for the photos, @kats. Matsuosan talked about the AC in the 240Z when he was at ZCON in 2018. I can't remember if it was during his presentation or when I was helping him with making the slides for it. He said he received push-back from the engineers because he wanted the evaporator to fit behind the center stack.

I don't think I ever saw the eventual solution. If you have a chance, could you post more photos of the AC components?