Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[xs10shl]

Lots of great details in that cutaway.  Also a few inaccuracies for car #62: brakes shown are vented disc with single piston calipers.  And the period photos that I have of the doors do not show pockets, but that may have changed for race-time. And I'm not sure what that block hanging rear of the gas tank is supposed to be - a skid plate?. I find these changes curious, because so many other exact Works-specific details are shown correctly, which means to me that the drawer had access to accurate photographs, and perhaps the car itself. 

i wonder if these details are taken from 8D-420 (or similar), and they simply added the Monte Carlo plate for effect?

Edited March 8, 2022 by xs10shl

[HS30-H]

3 hours ago, xs10shl said:

i wonder if these details are taken from 8D-420 (or similar), and they simply added the Monte Carlo plate for effect?

Some of the details seen on artist Hosokawa san's cutaway are almost exactly the same as seen on '8D-420' for the Auto Sport January 1971 colour feature and fold-out poster. Note in particular the identical positioning of the wheel brace and jack spindle on top of the spare wheels, which seems unlikely to be replicated on a different day/car.

Clearly Hosokawa san had access to the car, but also ended up having to 'guess' some of the details that he could not see/sketch/photograph, or which he perhaps forgot to note at the time. Myself and a couple of others have long scratched our heads about details like the missing/invisible exhaust manifold, the strange and truncated shape of the transmission, the too-square 100 litre fuel tank and the bizarre shape of the moustache bar, as well as what you have already pointed out.

'985', being Aaltonen's car (their lead and star driver in the rally program) and also placing highest of the Works team cars in the '71 Monte, was an obvious choice to mock up for the magazine's cutaway poster. So, I think the cutaway is a composite of more than one car, with a few mistakes and omissions.

There's a long thread on the Auto Sport (UK) Nostalgia Forum which documents and discusses the work of cutaway artists like Hosokawa san, and there are always many mistakes/omissions/anomalies to be pointed out. I think it is a hugely difficult task to draw one of these things and I'm in awe of the cutaway artists' skill, so I don't want to nitpick too much...

[HS30-H]

6 minutes ago, HS30-H said:

Note in particular the identical positioning of the wheel brace and jack spindle on top of the spare wheels, which seems unlikely to be replicated on a different day/car.

To wit:

 

[Gav240z]

On 3/7/2022 at 9:46 PM, kats said:

I want to see every glove box chalkings to see how S30 cars were so popular around the world! 

Well I have a forum thread for you!

https://www.viczcar.com/forums/topic/18677-glovebox-inscriptions-on-s30zs/

A couple of the images look broken (I'll fix those later) but if you click on them the image should load (it's just the thumbnail that is broken).

It also wasn't just the glove boxes, but original radio's also got markings!

 

[xs10shl]

just an update on the Z432 Airbox, and my suspicions that it was suffocating the engine at high RPM - I have been driving the car for a few days with the airbox filter connected and dis-connected (by removing the tube between them), and the performance increase for the disconnected setup is profoundly noticeable. There is more research to be done re: filters and jetting, but I was actually quite surprised how much better the car performed above 5000RPM without the air filter connected.   The filter is fairly new, so I may try something else in it's place next.

[kats]

On 3/9/2022 at 7:33 AM, Gav240z said:

Well I have a forum thread for you!

https://www.viczcar.com/forums/topic/18677-glovebox-inscriptions-on-s30zs/

A couple of the images look broken (I'll fix those later) but if you click on them the image should load (it's just the thumbnail that is broken).

It also wasn't just the glove boxes, but original radio's also got markings!

 

Thanks Gavin, the thread on viczcar.com is exactly what I have been looking for ! A lot of examples make me feel happy.

PNG , Papua New Guinea! I have never thought about it before. Just wonderful. 
 

Also , it is for the first time to see markings on a radio , is it a reference for not to mistake which dashboard should install correct radio ? 
 

I attached a picture of a glove box markings which is showed in a Nissan factory book “ S30 supplementally chassis manual “ . We see トルコン ( To ru con - torque converter) there ! 

[kats]

In the thread of viczcar.com , Alan said what I have been thinking about. 
“All the genuine ones I've seen (spotted the odd 'oh dear me...' too) have 'H - H' under the glovebox, including both of my own 240ZGs. Obviously the first H refers to L24-engined variant, and the second H refers exclusively to ZGs. However, why would a ZG require a different dash notation than an 'HS30-D' coded Fairlady 240Z-L model which might have been right behind it on the production line? As both were Japanese 'Deluxe' content models made at the same time, they would have had IDENTICAL dash instrumentation and controls. Only possible difference would be factory aircon, which was an extra cost showroom ordering option.

So the glovebox notations don't seem - as far as I can see - to have been a part of the *dash* build process...”

Then I looked up Nissan text books for the workers ( or for the students of Nissan auto mobile college ) , there is a picture of how-to make cars at production line . 
I try to picture of how the glove box markings was used , now I tend to think it was used for various situations rather than only for assembling the dash itself. 
Workers can see it easily on the line when a passenger door was not installed yet . And when at the marriage with power train section , or at the installation of front bumper with specific indicators , or riveting over fenders for ZG , workers just open the passenger door and have a confidence before doing it . 
 
And the uploading on / unloading from the ship  yes I think it was useful ! 
 

Kats

[Gav240z]

Yes the PNG markings were good. I actually met someone not far from me with a red 240z imported from PNG and I forgot to look under the dash on his car. Next time I see it I will.

The radio marking was a first for me also. Most of them have long since faded or been covered in dust. Now I look everywhere for markings on factory parts.

[kats]

This is another example, we see “ 2,4 L(cursive) DX “ on it . I imagined when workers saw this chalk markings, they would have had been reminded that cars needed black wiper blades, scallop style wheel caps, horizontal  bar type front grille .
However , don’t need over fenders, G -nose , gun metallic rear bumper with full rubber guards. 6.45 -14 applied, 175 HR14 is for 240ZG only. 
Oh , after October 1971 Fairlady 240ZG/240Z-L/ Z-432 and Fairlady Z-L were equipped with an auto seeking radio coupled with an 8 track stereo. 
Fairlady 240Z and Fairlady Z were equipped with a manual tuning radio ( not a stereo) and manual extension antenna. 

Fairlady Z           S30S   (simple? ,basic ?)

Fairlady Z-L         S30    ( Luxury )

Fairlady 240Z    HS30S  (simple ? basic ?)

Fairlady 240-L   HS30   (Luxury)

Fairlady 240ZG   HS30H (High speed ?G-nose) 

Fairlady Z-432   PS30   ( Prince? S20 engined)

Fairlady Z-432R  PS30SB ( Special Bersion / typical Japanese phonetic ) 

And more variations for regular gasoline/ air conditioner/ automatic transmission.
 

Nissan used different coding in a parts catalog and for workers at assembly line . Please see attached picture.

DX comes from “Z-dx “ , which is used for S30 / HS30 / PS30 . The glove box came from a Fairlady 240Z-L .

So , “2.4 L DX “ is a short and simple identification but very much telling deep specific configuration .

Very complicated for us ,maybe for workers too…

Kats

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by kats

[SpeedRoo]

On 3/7/2022 at 2:52 AM, kats said:

Interesting positioning for the handbrake on the driver side of the tunnel. So it is possible to switch it over in the 240Z. 

[kats]

5 hours ago, SpeedRoo said:

Interesting positioning for the handbrake on the driver side of the tunnel. So it is possible to switch it over in the 240Z. 

Hi Roo , yes I noticed it on the magazine picture too, that hand brake lever is a special feature of the works LHD rally car . 

Rauno August Aaltonen, he liked to use the hand barke lever as a second steering wheel, the team manager Mr. Namba said “ he showed us gripping his hand brake lever and proudly said  “ this is My technique “ , he was too fast , the brake linings worn out fast and burned at around 1000 km “ 

Alan , could you tell us more about this special hand brake lever with your “special “ one ?

Kats

 

[xs10shl]

All the period Works 240ZR pictures that I have of perhaps 6-7 LHD cars show that the LHD Works cars sported consoles with left-side handbrakes.  Period pictures I have of RHD cars naturally show the handbrakes remaining on the right side.  Perhaps there are exceptions to this protocol, but I am not aware of them personally.

Edited March 14, 2022 by xs10shl