Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[kats]

9 hours ago, kats said:

One surprising thing is , those PZR normal springs for normal suspension struts ( PZ & PZR front struts is -E4225 , rear struts is - E4125 ) have softer spring rate . 
This is very interesting!

I was wrong about this , normal Z432-R has the same spring rate as Z432 , just free length is shorter than Z432 . Z432-R is 80 kg lighter than Z432 . To have equal dimensions as a variant of S30 series cars ( floor clearance hight is the same as Z432 , )  , the springs are shortened I think . 
I am talking about this car , a plain , raw , ready for building a race car for your own .From Motor Magazine April 1971.

Kats

I probably can’t use my set of PZR springs because my Z is not light like PZR , the hight will drop slightly. I love Higher posture  like Safari car .

Edited March 1, 2022 by kats

[xs10shl]

We examined my later 1970 S30 Z-L glove box next to a 240Z glove box, and they appeared to be identical, with notches on both sides. I think my Z-L glove box was original, but do not know for sure. It does have factory AC, so the rules you stated would apply.  I cant remember the serial # offhand, as the car has been under restoration since I purchased it, but I will look tomorrow.   I'd still guess that Nissan switched to a single-style glove box at some point during production, for both LHD and RHD cars, so that they were the same.

Bummed to hear that I mangled a rare piece of cardboard.  I'll have to get some material and make a replica - shouldn't be hard to do. 

Edited March 1, 2022 by xs10shl

[CanTechZ]

7 hours ago, xs10shl said:

We examined my later 1970 S30 Z-L glove box next to a 240Z glove box, and they appeared to be identical, with notches on both sides. I think my Z-L glove box was original, but do not know for sure. It does have factory AC, so the rules you stated would apply.  I cant remember the serial # offhand, as the car has been under restoration since I purchased it, but I will look tomorrow.   I'd still guess that Nissan switched to a single-style glove box at some point during production, for both LHD and RHD cars, so that they were the same.

Bummed to hear that I mangled a rare piece of cardboard.  I'll have to get some material and make a replica - shouldn't be hard to do. 

If it helps, I created a 3D step model and flat patterns from a 12/70 parts car glove box I have and uploaded the files here. The flat patterns are in acad.dwg format and pdf as well.  It's from a Canadian market LHD car but hopefully it might help.

FYI, I just noticed a typo for the sheet size I noted on the template drawing. It should be 24" wide x 36" tall, scale is 1:1 when printed on that size of sheet.

Edited March 1, 2022 by CanTechZ

[xs10shl]

CanTechZ - Great!  Thank you for sharing! I can certainly use this.

[kats]

Thanks CanTechZ ! 
Here is a glove box collections, white chalk marking is fun to look at . Automatic has “トルコン(torque converter) “, Fairlady 240ZG has “H-H “ ( HS30H ) , Z432 has “ PS30” . But you see SP30 , that is definitely a mistake ! 
Kats

Edited March 1, 2022 by kats

[CanTechZ]

You're welcome Kats, those chalk marks are interesting. My 7/70 HLS30 has an "A" marking. Any significance? It's not an automatic.

[kats]

7 minutes ago, CanTechZ said:

You're welcome Kats, those chalk marks are interesting. My 7/70 HLS30 has an "A" marking. Any significance? It's not an automatic.

Wow ! Maybe “ A “ stands for USA ? I can’t wait to go and see my HLS30-02146 which may have an original glove box, my 2156 lost original when its restoration a long time ago . 
 

This is my guess , at Nissan shatai factory , the number of car for USA was so high , so workers didn’t need to distinguish them , they needed to distinguish other destinations and rare model like an automatic . That could be why they just put A for our USA cars ?! 
Kats 

[kats]

I looked up my parts catalog for tracking the glove box .  LHD model has E4600 , RHD model E4100 at first .

Then both cars have E4102 . When did that change ? I took and reviewed an old data which I have got from Mr.Uemura and Mr.Osawa ( test crew US & CANADA late 69) . Let’s do some calculations.

For S30 series domestic cars,

1969 total was 969 .

1970 Jan 127 , Feb 364 , Mar 378 . Total 1838 cars at that period.

Jul 1970 Aircon manual said cars up to S30-01629 have  to buy 68600-E4102 , after S30-01629 already have 68600-E4102.

Total 1838 S30 cars means that the number included S30/S30S/PS30/PS30SB . 
I guess most of them were S30S ( Fairlady Z ) and S30(Fairlady ZL ) , PS30/PS30SB would be 100 or little more  at that point. S30S and S30 share the same chassis number on the fire wall “ S30-xxxxxx” . 
So, maybe in March 1970 , the glove box changed to have notches on both sides . And why not for LHD model at the same time ?

We need to see a lot of actual glove box for this observation.

I attached a picture of the glove box of a Z432 , PS30-00062 made in Dec 1969 . Only an outboard corner has the notche.

Kats

 

 

Edited March 2, 2022 by kats

[kats]

And for 1970 

[kats]

I will take a breakfast with a cup of coffee.

Kats

[CanTechZ]

15 minutes ago, kats said:

Wow ! Maybe “ A “ stands for USA ? I can’t wait to go and see my HLS30-02146 which may have an original glove box, my 2156 lost original when its restoration a long time ago . 
 

This is my guess , at Nissan shatai factory , the number of car for USA was so high , so workers didn’t need to distinguish them , they needed to distinguish other destinations and rare model like an automatic . That could be why they just put A for our USA cars ?! 
Kats 

Interesting, actually my car is a Canadian market car. It's an HLS30UN model (non emissions). I guess the "A" is still a mystery.

[26th-Z]

Cool template file.  Thanks for doing that.