March 1, 20223 yr Author comment_636610 9 hours ago, kats said: One surprising thing is , those PZR normal springs for normal suspension struts ( PZ & PZR front struts is -E4225 , rear struts is - E4125 ) have softer spring rate . This is very interesting! I was wrong about this , normal Z432-R has the same spring rate as Z432 , just free length is shorter than Z432 . Z432-R is 80 kg lighter than Z432 . To have equal dimensions as a variant of S30 series cars ( floor clearance hight is the same as Z432 , ) , the springs are shortened I think . I am talking about this car , a plain , raw , ready for building a race car for your own .From Motor Magazine April 1971. Kats I probably can’t use my set of PZR springs because my Z is not light like PZR , the hight will drop slightly. I love Higher posture like Safari car . Edited March 1, 20223 yr by kats Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 1, 20223 yr comment_636612 We examined my later 1970 S30 Z-L glove box next to a 240Z glove box, and they appeared to be identical, with notches on both sides. I think my Z-L glove box was original, but do not know for sure. It does have factory AC, so the rules you stated would apply. I cant remember the serial # offhand, as the car has been under restoration since I purchased it, but I will look tomorrow. I'd still guess that Nissan switched to a single-style glove box at some point during production, for both LHD and RHD cars, so that they were the same. Bummed to hear that I mangled a rare piece of cardboard. I'll have to get some material and make a replica - shouldn't be hard to do. Edited March 1, 20223 yr by xs10shl Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 1, 20223 yr comment_636618 7 hours ago, xs10shl said: We examined my later 1970 S30 Z-L glove box next to a 240Z glove box, and they appeared to be identical, with notches on both sides. I think my Z-L glove box was original, but do not know for sure. It does have factory AC, so the rules you stated would apply. I cant remember the serial # offhand, as the car has been under restoration since I purchased it, but I will look tomorrow. I'd still guess that Nissan switched to a single-style glove box at some point during production, for both LHD and RHD cars, so that they were the same. Bummed to hear that I mangled a rare piece of cardboard. I'll have to get some material and make a replica - shouldn't be hard to do. If it helps, I created a 3D step model and flat patterns from a 12/70 parts car glove box I have and uploaded the files here. The flat patterns are in acad.dwg format and pdf as well. It's from a Canadian market LHD car but hopefully it might help. FYI, I just noticed a typo for the sheet size I noted on the template drawing. It should be 24" wide x 36" tall, scale is 1:1 when printed on that size of sheet. Edited March 1, 20223 yr by CanTechZ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 1, 20223 yr comment_636631 CanTechZ - Great! Thank you for sharing! I can certainly use this. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 1, 20223 yr Author comment_636655 Thanks CanTechZ ! Here is a glove box collections, white chalk marking is fun to look at . Automatic has “トルコン(torque converter) “, Fairlady 240ZG has “H-H “ ( HS30H ) , Z432 has “ PS30” . But you see SP30 , that is definitely a mistake ! Kats Edited March 1, 20223 yr by kats Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 2, 20223 yr comment_636660 You're welcome Kats, those chalk marks are interesting. My 7/70 HLS30 has an "A" marking. Any significance? It's not an automatic. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 2, 20223 yr Author comment_636661 7 minutes ago, CanTechZ said: You're welcome Kats, those chalk marks are interesting. My 7/70 HLS30 has an "A" marking. Any significance? It's not an automatic. Wow ! Maybe “ A “ stands for USA ? I can’t wait to go and see my HLS30-02146 which may have an original glove box, my 2156 lost original when its restoration a long time ago . This is my guess , at Nissan shatai factory , the number of car for USA was so high , so workers didn’t need to distinguish them , they needed to distinguish other destinations and rare model like an automatic . That could be why they just put A for our USA cars ?! Kats Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 2, 20223 yr Author comment_636662 I looked up my parts catalog for tracking the glove box . LHD model has E4600 , RHD model E4100 at first . Then both cars have E4102 . When did that change ? I took and reviewed an old data which I have got from Mr.Uemura and Mr.Osawa ( test crew US & CANADA late 69) . Let’s do some calculations. For S30 series domestic cars, 1969 total was 969 . 1970 Jan 127 , Feb 364 , Mar 378 . Total 1838 cars at that period. Jul 1970 Aircon manual said cars up to S30-01629 have to buy 68600-E4102 , after S30-01629 already have 68600-E4102. Total 1838 S30 cars means that the number included S30/S30S/PS30/PS30SB . I guess most of them were S30S ( Fairlady Z ) and S30(Fairlady ZL ) , PS30/PS30SB would be 100 or little more at that point. S30S and S30 share the same chassis number on the fire wall “ S30-xxxxxx” . So, maybe in March 1970 , the glove box changed to have notches on both sides . And why not for LHD model at the same time ? We need to see a lot of actual glove box for this observation. I attached a picture of the glove box of a Z432 , PS30-00062 made in Dec 1969 . Only an outboard corner has the notche. Kats Edited March 2, 20223 yr by kats Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 2, 20223 yr Author comment_636663 And for 1970 Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 2, 20223 yr Author comment_636664 I will take a breakfast with a cup of coffee. Kats Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 2, 20223 yr comment_636665 15 minutes ago, kats said: Wow ! Maybe “ A “ stands for USA ? I can’t wait to go and see my HLS30-02146 which may have an original glove box, my 2156 lost original when its restoration a long time ago . This is my guess , at Nissan shatai factory , the number of car for USA was so high , so workers didn’t need to distinguish them , they needed to distinguish other destinations and rare model like an automatic . That could be why they just put A for our USA cars ?! Kats Interesting, actually my car is a Canadian market car. It's an HLS30UN model (non emissions). I guess the "A" is still a mystery. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 2, 20223 yr comment_636667 Cool template file. Thanks for doing that. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/?&page=149#findComment-636667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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