Early 240Z Emblem on Ebay

[koreavet]

Just saw this on Ebay. The seller is just up the interstate from me. I've always been interested in the early cars. Hard to tell from the pictures what kind of condition this is in. Anybody have any thoughts?

Thanks, Koreavet

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Datsun-240Z-Early-1970-Emblem-Pot-Metal-Rare_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33643QQihZ017QQitemZ270114880812QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[26th-Z]

Got a phone call about this last night. Always interesting to see early stuff for sale. This emblem is hollow cast, meaning the back is hollowed out rather than a solid piece of metal. The most early chrome Z emblems were solid cast. This emblem would be most appropriate for a later 1970 build car - say late spring / early summer 1970.

[Arne]

I agree with Chris' assessment. That emblem is the same as those on my 10/70 car.

[koreavet]

...This emblem would be most appropriate for a later 1970 build car - say late spring / early summer 1970.

I respectfully think you're wrong on this Chris. This emblem is appropriate for late 1969 to about January - February 1970.

[=Enigma=]

I guess that depends on how anal you are about doing a "correct" restoration. This is the difference between it being visually indistinguishable when installed vs. being the "correct" part.

[BD240Z]

I respectfully think you're wrong on this Chris. This emblem is appropriate for late 1969 to about January - February 1970.

My 5/70 240Z also has the metal cast emblems. I thought they were used on all series one cars that had the vents in the hatch. Either way, I'm glad my car came with the metal version and they're still in good shape. As far as I know, the replacements are made from plastic.

Bruce

[26th-Z]

Oh my! Perhaps I have expressed myself in a confusing manner. There are two versions of the "chrome Z", hollow cast and solid cast. 76807-E4600 shows application up to 1-70 and replaced by E4601. E4602 shows application up to 12-70 when it is replaced by E8200 which I believe to be the round vented emblem to coincide with the vents in the quarter wings. Of the early 240Z emblems, they come in chrome Z metal, white Z metal and white Z plastic. I have no idea what part numbers go with these.

The point I was making was VERY anal and just a point of interest. Before there were chrome Zs, metal cast, and hollowed out on the back side, there were chrome Zs, metal cast, and solid. Here is a picture of mine. Solid hunk of metal - quite heavy. This emblem, as I heard from Mr. Matsuo, was the original prototype production emblem. Several hundred of the first HLS30s were fitted with solid cast emblems and every one I have seen came off a 1969 production car- pre December.

Of course, this is very anal. Once you put the emblem on the car, you can't tell the difference. I bought this on eBay many years ago and got into a bidding war with another member on this site whom I did not know at the time. I paid $100 for this.

[koreavet]

Chris, excellent clarification. Thank you. So is the question then: When did Nissan switch from the chrome z metal emblem to the white z metal emblem?

So my 240Z is from 3/70 and it has the white z, metal emblem. How can Arne's 10/70 have the chrome z, metal emblem?

[hls30.com]

Chris,

Your being anal is what this site is all about! Somehow that does not sound as much like what I mean as it is....Hmmmm.

The devil is in the details, and in this case he's hiding 'round the back!

Will

[26th-Z]

I don't think anyone really knows for sure when the emblem changed from a chrome Z to a white Z. I know the chrome Z is quite rare and didn't appear on many cars. Kats discussed this some tme ago in terms of differences in the shape of the emblem. He maintained that the mold for the hollow cast white Z was different from the mold of the hollow cast chrome Z.

I think white Z metal emblems on a March 1970 car are fine and I wouldn't slam points in a competition for it. I'm going to put hollow metal chrome Zs on my cars because I only have the one solid casting. I'm saving the emblem to talk about in Hooter's over a beer... or two.

The bidder "old guy" is a member of this site and of the Low VIN club. But check out the seller's other items. Hand throttle, 'D' hubcaps, ash tray.

[a7dz]

My 6/70 has the metal emblem with the Z white.

[Arne]

I apologize as well, for my lack of clarity. My car does have the white Z, in hollow metal.