Is this Z worth $45,000

[WingZr0]

Not to be an asshole, but how do you win best of show with a half inch gap between your air dam and your fender.

I think " Somebody's " mad

Your really Lit about that ain't you...?

[EScanlon]

Not to be an asshole, but how do you win best of show with a half inch gap between your air dam and your fender.

Not to flame you, but you are being one. While this appears to be an issue for you, for many of us it is not.

Take a look at ANY picture of the installed air dam on ANY Z, and see if everyone of those cars hasn't had a fitment issue with them.

Arne even wrote a complete article on it and the pains he went through to try to eliminate that exact gap you are so fixated upon. There are also other posts questioning how to mount it and NOT have that problem. It is one of those "things" that we've all encountered and learned to live with.

Then again, take a look at the walk-around video and you'll notice that on BOTH sides of the car the air dam is just a wee bit out of alignment.

Might this be a problem with the air dam? Very well could be, most if not all of those air dams are fiberglass molded from a mold taken from the "original".

Over time, those molds loose their shape for a number of reasons. The end result is that the umpteenth molded piece coming out of that mold is no longer a LOYAL reproduction of the original. It will have the wrong curve, wrong flair, etc. Try as you might, it is very difficult to bend fiberglass.

If the mold were steel or some other metal, then you wouldn't have that problem. That's what GM does with their Corvette parts. However, most of the air dams being sold aren't being manufactured by a company with the resources that GM can bring to the molding process. Hence, a fiberglass mold.

Many folks simply mount the air dam to the best of their ability and take up the excess in various ways. Some drill extra holes, others use shims, others spread the excess on both sides of the car. And in many cases, people get frustrated and realize there's not much they can do. So they compromise the fit.

Might the air dam have been removed and reinstalled AFTER the car won the show? Maybe. Maybe then he didn't get it lined up correctly.

Maybe his car was the BEST of what was at the show. That car didn't have to be perfect just be the best one of the ones that were there.

Again, not trying to flame you, but all your posts have centered on that gap and ONLY on that gap.

Does that now make sense?

2¢

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[GreenZZZ]

Reading this thread makes me realize why no one has produced a "Pimp my Z" TV show

[sakijo]

I saw this 1973 Z going for $45,000. What makes a 1973 z be worth this much money?

1. He spent that much or more on building it and wants to get his money back.

2. He's got a kid on the way and needs the money.

3. He really doesn't want to sell, so this is his way of keeping it without fighting the wife. "Hey, I put it up for sale and nobody wanted to buy it . . . "

Just a few reasons why. I'm sure there are others.

[AndysPlit]

Any of the Factory Works Pro Rally 240-Z's($100K +)

Any of the Fairlady Z 432's ($75K to $125K)

Any of the Bob Sharp Championship Z's ($150K+)

Any of the BRE Z's

Brad Frissells' C-Production Championship Z(asking $275K -sold but not

known what the final price was).

Mr. K's personal Z

I personally offered Mr. Mason $125K for the BRE #3 Z - He laughs and said; "we're having too much fun with it, and it would take a lot more than that to own it".

In the Pure Stock realm:

Several first generation Z's have sold for between $35K and $40K already, and I'd expect to see that become common in the next couple years. As we see the Pinnacle Examples selling for above $45K.

Very low mileage, purely original examples, or professionally restored and in perfect condition, already changing hands in the $35K to $40K range.

69 Production Year examples

70 Model Year examples

71 Late Model Year examples

72 Model Year examples

78 Black Pearls

FWIW,

Carl B.

Alright, thanks for the very specific insight. I will not argue that the above listed Z's are worth more. However, I am curious; What auctions, listings, and such have actually had Z's sell for that much? What's your source?

I cruise the internet and various other places scoping out Z's for sale, just to see their values continue rising. I love that. But, I have never seen a Z sell for more than $25K.

Now, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that Mr. K's car, or some vintage racer could rake in a lot more than your average 240. As for the rest that you cited, I am interested to know when this has actually occured.

[hls30.com]

Carl is privy and in many cases, instrumental. in many "off the radar" private sales. When some people want a car, they know Carl probably knows where it is, and what it would take for a change in ownership. After all he has setup and takes care of the largest Z registry and information base there is...The Internet Z Car Club, and ZHome.

Will

[Walter Moore]

The paint job on that car must have cost a fortune.

It is a very pretty car, but I wouldn't pay that much for it because it is just a show car. It was never really intended to be driven. A shame really...

Like the guy that I know who sold his dream car (a 70 Superbird) because he could no longer get insurance unless he certified in writing that he would NEVER drive it. In his case, he made a fortune when he sold the car, but you can still see the pain deep in his eyes when he talks about it. He bought that car back when they were just strange cheap used cars, and he fixed it up as a driver! He wanted to drive the car, not trailer it to car shows. But it became so valuable that no insurance company would touch it if he actually intended to drive it on public roads.

May it never be that way with my car.

[AndysPlit]

Carl is privy and in many cases, instrumental. in many "off the radar" private sales. When some people want a car, they know Carl probably knows where it is, and what it would take for a change in ownership. After all he has setup and takes care of the largest Z registry and information base there is...The Internet Z Car Club, and ZHome.

Will

Hmmm.....I didn't know that he was partial to those entities. Very cool.

So, what sort of circumstances in an "off the radar" sale would permit a Z to sell for more than 25K? Don't mean to be a pain. I'm rather curious, as this is amazing news to me.

[dade280]

see i have no problem with people having gaps on the bodywork. Just when said cars try to sell for 45k. And i keep mentioning that because even tho there are other things about the car i personally dont like thats a matter of personal taste. Paint looks great and so does the engine. Oddly enough he doesnt even mention the gap in list of imperfections. Im sure that guy loves his Z and put alot of work and money into it. But at 45k body panels should line up. At that price its all in the details.

[hls30.com]

Hmmm.....I didn't know that he was partial to those entities. Very cool.

So, what sort of circumstances in an "off the radar" sale would permit a Z to sell for more than 25K? Don't mean to be a pain. I'm rather curious, as this is amazing news to me.

I think in most cases the very nature of the participants desire for privacy in the transaction would preclude disclosing those very details.

However if Zulater wanted to sell his Gold Medallion(Congratulations!!!) car I honestly think three things would happen:

1) Carl would be among the first people to know.

2) It would take a good bit more than 25K to change the ownership and...

3) The sale would be done quickly and more than likely under the radar-not necessarilybecause of a specific need for privacy, but more likely because publicity (advertising) was not necessary to complete the sale.

The primary circumstance would the the existance of the opportunity to purchase a Z with a publicly documented history, or a Gold Medallion winner or close equavalent. Those cars don't come up often, and I am sure Carl knows of buyers waiting when they do.

Will

[AndysPlit]

The primary circumstance would the the existance of the opportunity to purchase a Z with a publicly documented history, or a Gold Medallion winner or close equavalent. Those cars don't come up often, and I am sure Carl knows of buyers waiting when they do.

Will

Ahh. I see. Ummm....What's a Gold Medallion winner? Is that a car that won best in show?

[26th-Z]

No. Best of show is whatever happens to be the nicest Z at any given show. The Gold Medallion and Gold Cup are the Z Car Club Assiciation's top honors. IMO the highest award one can be granted for their Z car. I can't think of a higher award.