Is this Z worth $45,000

[HS30-H]

Very handsome car, but to me Kats opinion is more valuable than a photograph, I bet he has seen more of the cars than I have photographs of them.

I don't understand your comment. As far as I can tell, Kats is saying that this car - PS30-00087 - is a good car; ( "..... unrestored body,still great original painting with remaining lots of early original small parts." ) but that some of the modifications are not to his taste.

Like it or not, it is for sale at 8 million yen and will probably find a buyer at something close to that price if not the full whack. There's a finite amount of such cars on the road, and the prices of them are on an upward trend.

Alan T.

[hls30.com]

Evidently I missed some of his meaning as well-time for a checkup!

Will

[sblake01]

He was comparing 00087, which he feels is a good car to another one which is also selling presently for the same price (8M JPY) but is a 'bad example,a not good condition Z432'. He compared the price of 00087 two years ago and of the other car a year ago to the present asking price to give a general idea of how much the price has risen over there in those time periods. That's how I read it.

[SirRoberts1288]

thank god for the z,sorry but that is not worth 45,000.if thats all you get i will pass

[yor5150]

How could a '73 240Z be worth $45,000? If it had $40,000 cash in the cargo area...

Seriously, a very nice car but not worth it to me.

[26th-Z]

Alan,

Kat's thread is a great example for our conversation. Hi Kats!

If that car showed up at a convention, it would be unknowingly placed in a stock class (240Z) and judged right along side all the other HLS30 examples. It would get points for the obvious cooling fan modification, perhaps the A/C, but no one would question or look at the exhaust or the engine internals. I would question the radio, but I doubt many others would notice. I have seen cleaner cars, but if that 432 was really clean, I see no reason why it would not win awards in the stock class.

[HS30-H]

If that car showed up at a convention, it would be unknowingly placed in a stock class (240Z) and judged right along side all the other HLS30 examples.

Which I think would be a really odd situation. It would be a real shame for it to be 'judged' if the expertise and knowledge to accurately appraise originality and finish etc was not there.

OK, theoretical 'Internet Car Show' mode ON:

I think it would be a travesty if a 432 was forced to join a "240Z" class. Ideally, there would be an S30-series Z class ( which both models could join ) and that could be divided up into subsections where the PS30 could find its natural home, and the '240Z' sections could ideally be split into subgroups according to model and market. You'd need to do that because it would ( I think ) be daft to group distinctly different models according to such a catch-all title as '240Z' - if you consider that my Fairlady 240ZG is arguably a '240Z' too for example......

So either it needs to be divided up into all the distinct model variants, or all joined together in an 'S30-series Z' group.

Does that make sense?

[hls30.com]

Alan,

I agree with you, every variant represented should get its own class-other wise the popularity contest is back. But, the only way I can think of the properly judge the originality of a car that was ordered by a customer from the factory using a dealer is to use its order or build sheet-otherwise a copy could win against an original.

Grouping all of the variations of S30s together for judging would only make sense in the modified classes where originality only matters for figuring out which modified class a car belongs in. The stock class should have all of the variants in their own subgroups.

Will

[kats]

Hi Alan,Stephen

Thank you ,both you made my points clear.Your correction is what I wanted to say.

PS30-00087 is good,but not my taste.

And there is a #902 gold Z432,(I do not know the serial number)this car is 8000,000JPY now,this car is not good condition.This is a bad example.

kats