00091 for sale

[HS30-H]

Hi Nick,

That's a difficult one, and I don't think that the factory would even be able to tell you the answer to it................

Don't forget that when you ask about RHD cars, it also includes all the Japanese "Home" market models too. So that makes a total of three basic types ( "S30", "PS30" & "HS30" ) and several different spec./ trim levels to combine.

In the "X Files", they say that "The Truth is Out There......" - but when it comes to hard and totally infallible data on the early Z car, I'm sorry to say that it probably isn't.............

You can bet that your Export spec. HS30 is a rare survivor of the first few hundred of them built. They had a far higher rate of attrition than the early HLS30 models.

If you want an educated guess, then you can be sure that there were more than 900 of the deck-lid vented and hand-throttle equipped "Export" HS30's. Probably not too many more though ( and certainly not thousands ). Interestingly, there are examples of these cars both WITH the interior "Tool Boxes" and without. Nissan phased these in over a fair few cars, so its possible to see anomalies where the bodyshell styles crossed over slightly. I don't know if that is true for the LHD cars, as it seems that the spec. on those was more reliable.

Alan T.

[HS30-H]

By the way Nick, I was surprised to note that you are calling your car a 1971 year build.

I would have thought that such a low HS30 number would have probably come off the line in the later months of 1970.

Maybe you have some data that makes you think otherwise? I'd be fascinated to hear about it of you have. Its automotive archaeology.

Alan T.

[LEE240ZPERTH]

Hi Alan

240Z'S needed a compliance plate which is issued when the cars satisfy Australian automotive standards, imported cars sometimes stood for several months awaiting compliance checks, registration document could therefore state that the car is a 1971 model even if it arrived in the country in the final months of 1970.

My car #306 was complianced in Jan 1971 but I would estimate it's production date being around Sep/Oct 70.

I would suggest Nicks car would have been complianced around the same time as mine, Nick does your car still have it's plate.

Lee

[Dazza]

Hi Lee,

I believe compliance plating only commenced in January 1971. As your car was plated in January and considering shipping time from Japan, it would be indeed safe to say you have a late 70 model.

Cheers

Darryl

[Alfadog]

So then HS30, is it possible that my car is "correct" in having no rear hatch vents but still having the hand throttle?

I'm number 1031 btw - mid 1971 ?

[NickF]

Alan and Lee,

Compliance plate Feb71. Guess build date late 70's

Seems to be a high proportion of early cars in Australia?

Nick.

[HS30-H]

Hi Alfadog,

Pleased that you are getting involved with this one.

Certainly there is no reason to doubt that your car is non-original in having no Hatch Vents but still having the Hand Throttle. Like I said before, they switched stuff over "gradually" - so there are plenty of anomalies out there on cars that were half way between switchovers................

HS30-O1031 would most likely be very early '71 I would have thought, and maybe even very late '70 ( they took no notice of the Christmas holidays in Japan; New Year is the big one for them.... ).

Great input re the Australian Compliance Plates from Lee and Darryl there. Good stuff. Didn't know any of that.

Looks like quite a lot of early HS30's survive out there in Australia, which is great news.

Alan T.

[sjcurtis]

Hi to all I thought I would buy into this little discussion . I know it is a long way past the points made but!!!! my automatic pillar vented shell HS30 001638 was produced from what I can deduce about 10/71 and AUS complianced 12/71. this car has a late style hatch to conform to the pillar vents it has dealer installed aircon circa 71,72 and a choke next to the hand throttle, my ashtray and lighter are fwd in the console. I guess my point is the hand throttle must have gone into 72.

Steve

[240 in OZ]

Hi all. Im fairly new to the list.

I have a 9/71 RHD Aussie Spec 240z. It has no compliance plate which disagrees with the Feb 71 cut off for plate installation.

As far as Im aware there are NO 69 240z cars produced. I know the owner of RHD 004 and he is of the opinion that it is a 70 model.

I guess that the sheel may have been made in 69, but by the time the engine went in and the car was ready for shipping it was a 70 model year.

FWIW mine is 1282 and has been narrowed down to Sep 71 due to the lack of compliance plate, comparison of engine numbers with LHD cars, E88 head standard (as introduced in Sep 71).

It has a hand throttle, these never made it to the 72 year. Also FWIW the hand throttle is very rare in the USA, only the very early cars had them. I have been told on good authority that they were available for sale over the Nissan parts counter.

I hope this clears a few things up. If the seller of that advertised "69' 240z in Melbourne does in fact have something from Nissan to say it is a 69, the s### is really going to hit the fan.

Please let us know if this turns out to be the case.

Regarding the non-original L26 in this car, this would definately put the car at below $10k IMO, even if it is in good condition. Having a non-original donk is a worry as far as collector car status goes. I searched for about 5 years to find my car with the original L24 in it.

[240 in OZ]

Sorry, make that NO RHD 240z cars produced.

[sjcurtis]

if the hand throttle was in my car with a 12/71 compliance plate / then is anyone out there with a 1/72 or later HS30 car with it fitted and if so what is the chassis number. Does anyone have an early 72 without this fitted and chassis number so we can try and see a cut off or change out in production similar to hatch to vented quarter pillars.

Steve

:classic:

[Alfadog]

Ah

Mine is 1031, vented sides and a hand throttle. I guess that makes it an August/September 1971 car then?