What's wrong with US Senate?

[Nissanman]

We impeach presidents for having erections

OooooH Ahhhhhh, is that PAINFUL:cross-eye:cross-eye

[dade280]

You can always vote for a 3rd party candidate. People say its wasting a vote but thats bullshit. No vote is a wasted vote if you vote for who you prefer, a wasted vote is if you vote for someone you dont like. Even if your candidate doesnt win if you vote for him/her it at least shows support.

[sakijo]

Obama grew up here in sunny Hawaii. Although he went to the elite private school founded by the white missionaries, he probably experienced a lot of prejudice, pain and hurt because he's black. Don't be fooled by Hawaii's "melting pot" reputation. This is possibly the most racially divided, prejudiced place in the whole world. HOWEVER, we have learned tolerance and that's what keeps us from killing each other.

What bothers me is that we are often told who won the election before we get to vote. It makes us feel insignificant, like our vote doesn't count. And our dismal voting record shows it. Candidates don't even bother coming here to camapign. We need staggered voting times or a media blackout.

I vote. Not because I think I'll make a difference in the outcome of the election, but so I have a right to complain. I learned a long time ago that if you don't vote, you have no right to complain.

Oh yeah, I don't say the pledge of allegiance either; ever since I found out that the original pledge did not have "under God" in it.

[e_racer1999]

Most socialists see "patriotism" or "nationalism" as bad qualities that enable the empowered to rule over the working class. I don't think that most of your everyday Democrats really understand why they don't like the flag, and they'll blame it on Bush or whatever is convenient at the time, but when you go right to the source of the matter it boils down to another barrier to "egalite". Right Jason?

callin me out eh? haha

i feel that everyone has certain beliefs and there is nothing that anyone can say to change those beliefs. "false beliefs are often maintained by a strong confirmation bias, or the tendency to seek information that confirms our preexisting beliefs rather than may disconfirm them." that being said, i'm sure i'm guilty of it. but i will always feel that there is a distinct lack of equal opportunity in America. sure, i'm a registered democrat, but i vote 3rd party. anyway, i'm not one for handouts, if that's what you might get from my post. i'm one for a big change in the education system. but i digress.

oh, and for the record, not that it matters, i'm an atheist and a semi-socialist, vegetarian and pacifist.

[jmortensen]

callin me out eh? haha

I didn't think it was calling you out too much when you said you were going to vote for Kucinich and had "Biafra for President" under your screen name.

So what about the flag thing, and the patriotism issue? Are you true to the egalite concept of the "universal human experience" where people shouldn't be separated by imaginary constructs such as nationality (amongst other things)? Just curious.

For the record I'm a patriotic, agnostic, Libertarian, laissez-faire, if-you-want-it-****ed-up-get-the-government-involved kind of guy. I just don't say that in the little text under my screen name.

[hls30.com]

I shopping for ammunition now...

Not to worry, Arkansaw has a seven day waiting period for spit wads....

Will

[turbo240]

I got a "talking to" every other day it seemed in middle school/high school for not reciting the pledge of allegiance.

Sorry but I dont think pledging to the flag makes you any better of an American.

God knows theres been treason comitted by people who also pledged "allegiance".

Anyway I'm out of this thread.talking politics has a tendency to make me angry at people no matter how much I may like them. haha

[e_racer1999]

I didn't think it was calling you out too much when you said you were going to vote for Kucinich and had "Biafra for President" under your screen name.

So what about the flag thing, and the patriotism issue? Are you true to the egalite concept of the "universal human experience" where people shouldn't be separated by imaginary constructs such as nationality (amongst other things)? Just curious.

For the record I'm a patriotic, agnostic, Libertarian, laissez-faire, if-you-want-it-****ed-up-get-the-government-involved kind of guy. I just don't say that in the little text under my screen name.

don't worry i wasn't taking offense at anything

i do believe in a "one world, one people" type thing, but it's obviously a very complex issue that cannot be simplified that way. the only enmity that i have towards the flag and patriotism thing is the fact that it would be embracing ideas that don't mesh with me. namely the forced relocation of indigenous peoples by the members of the US, even after the government was based on their influence. there's also an implied sense of arrogance that accompanies it. "get out of my country," and "those damn french/canadian/etc." anywho, oddly, my roomie's a libertarian, my best friend's a republican, and my son's catholic (via his mother). go fig.

[280z1975]

snip.... An American is one who believes that his country is a sovereign nation with defined and protected boarders, with an official language that is English and one culture: AMERICAN. Lose one of the triad of what is to be American you will lose your country.(My Z angle)

A sovereign nation, yes ... English as an official language, yes (but more for logistical reasons than anything else)

But one "culture" American ... please tell me what is American culture ... America was founded by immigrants from hundreds of different lands.

The closest thing to American 'culture' that I can think of is more what I call the "American Idea" ... the idea that anyone with the will to succeed can through the use of America's freedoms and free market economy.

America became so great because the people that arrived at the start were bold, adventurous and most of all ambitious people looking to make things better. America was founded by idealists and this is what made America great. Ambitious people with a country of great resources at their disposal and a free market economy to allow them to prosper.

[Darbji280z]

If oboma or Clinton gets in im moving out

Agreed! I'm out, too. Canada looks pretty good. I got a truck if you want help moving.

[Darrel]

I'm going to wait and see how wide the candidates stances are.

[sblake01]

And, Mike, you were worried that this would turn into a debate:)