geezer Posted January 23, 2008 Share #25 Posted January 23, 2008 Carl - Thanks for explaining in terms I can get my head around. You are so right in breaking it down into different markets and the value associated with each market. I know I'm guilty of looking at a car and evaluating it for my own purposes, without giving it the due consideration what it might be worth to someone with a different plan for it. In this case, no matter what market you represent, the seller leaves a lot to be desired and could use a lesson from a real salesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonetreesteve Posted January 23, 2008 Author Share #26 Posted January 23, 2008 Carl,Like Geezer said, thank you for breaking everything down and taking the time to explain the different markets in detail. I think all of us have learned a tremendous amount from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Posted January 23, 2008 Share #27 Posted January 23, 2008 I believe the seller is very confused as to who sets the market for these cars. He is also sadly confused as to exactly what market his Z would sell into.And following this statement above is a very well written analysis. Excellent explanation, Carl. I agree with it all.Look at Arne's Z with 65K miles for something less than $6K (was it?).. vs the current offering with 40K miles at $20K.... just isn't that much difference.Exactly the point I wanted to make. Although I must admit that I did pay more than $6k for mine - a full $7k in fact. And - as an enthusiast, not a collector or restorer - I will admit to you guys here that the slow refresh that I am performing has brought my investment up to almost $10k now. And that is before the still needed paint, carpet and seat rebuild.But here's the key. As Carl pointed out, the subject of this thread will need all the same stuff that my car needs, even for an enthusiast, who is probably the least picky buyer of the bunch. So add $5-8k to the purchase price to have a high #3 or low #2 car to drive a bit for fun. So I still think it's a $10-12k car, being on the East Coast. A bit less if it were here out West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Bob Posted January 23, 2008 Share #28 Posted January 23, 2008 You guys kicked the poop out of my point of view. Carl has enlightened me/us again. However I still think it's a s--t hot car and worth more than the barn find I mentioned from last year, but not 20K. I think Arne's car is pretty hot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLPurcell Posted January 23, 2008 Share #29 Posted January 23, 2008 I looked for more photos of the car but I must have deleted them at some point. I can tell you that the bottom as well as the suspension components was showing sighs of at the least surface rust. I hope the owner by saying that the bottom had been detailed does not mean that they undercoated the bottom of the car to cover the problem!Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonetreesteve Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share #30 Posted January 24, 2008 Looks like someone has placed the minimum $15k bid on the car:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=170187626288&rd=1#ebayphotohosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Bob Posted January 24, 2008 Share #31 Posted January 24, 2008 I thought detailing was just very good cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Moore Posted January 24, 2008 Share #32 Posted January 24, 2008 I thought detailing was just very good cleaning. Well, that is my definition... but often it involves wax, and conditioners for leather and vinyl surfaces. I wonder how one "details" the underside of a car beyond just taking to Mike's Express car wash and paying for the "Works Wash'? But I have learned my lesson... I will NEVER again say anything nice about a car for sale on Ebay. (Not that I would be interested in this car. For 20K it would have to be perfectly restored, or literally brand new to get my attention.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xray Posted January 25, 2008 Share #33 Posted January 25, 2008 Looks like someone has placed the minimum $15k bid on the car:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=170187626288&rd=1#ebayphotohostingNow, if this guy didn't come across as such a blowhard, maybe he'd make some money on this car. In a somewhat related event, at BJ this year a 280Z hybrid went for 17k and change. Looks like the market may be split between solid originals and well-executed resto-mods. Whatever you think of his tactics, his auctions represent a different group of car collectors than usually are interested in the Z, and it's good to see imports get some decent prices at his auction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Posted January 25, 2008 Share #34 Posted January 25, 2008 No details or pictures, but here's a craigslist ad that sounds interesting:http://sacramento.craigslist.org/car/551212091.htmlSomeone in that part of the country ought to take a look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLPurcell Posted January 28, 2008 Share #35 Posted January 28, 2008 A short follow up. I was high bidder again ($15,200) but did not meet the reserve. Once again I was not pushed to my max bid. If the seller has an offer of 18k he might want to jump on it!Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted January 28, 2008 Share #36 Posted January 28, 2008 A short follow up. I was high bidder again ($15,200) but did not meet the reserve. Once again I was not pushed to my max bid. If the seller has an offer of 18k he might want to jump on it!JerryI have been in that situation before, where I had bid short of the reserve, but substantialy more than was shown at the end of the auction. Does the seller ever find out what your maximum bid was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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