How much would you pay for a 70-73 Fairlady

[HS30-H]

Did run across a production figure of somewhere around 2700 of the Z-L model for 1971, but I dont remember where I saw that figure. Does that sound "reasonable"?

You don't remember?

On 7th February you asked about your car on the zcar.com forum ( where one person told you it was a "432" ) mentioning your "rally car" and "Model L" story, and the following day I correctly identified it for you - didn't I? That's why I was dismayed to see you mentioning the bogus "rally car" story again on this thread only a few weeks later as though it is still a possibility. It isn't!

I also wrote:

"There were just over 4500 'S30' and 'S30-S' models made in 1969 & 1970, with about a 70/30 split between the 'Luxe' S30 and the 'Standard' S30-S. In 1971 the production was just over 3800 cars."

.....So yes, 70% of 3800 Z & Z-L models made in 1971 is around the 2700 mark - but when you are quoting stuff like this on forums I think you have a duty to put it into context, otherwise it just screws up the usefulness of the SEARCH function for the next person that uses it.

If you recall, I also helped you to identify the build date of your car to within a month or so - and told you where to look to find and cross-reference more data from the car. To see you now write that you "don't remember" is a bit dismaying to say the least........

Alan T.

[Z Speed]

I remember that thread. You stated to look under rear view mirror and the insturments for day/month stamps and for stamps thought the car in verious places. That was a very informative thread....

[Kerrigan]

You don't remember?

On 7th February you asked about your car on the zcar.com forum ( where one person told you it was a "432" ) mentioning your "rally car" and "Model L" story, and the following day I correctly identified it for you - didn't I? That's why I was dismayed to see you mentioning the bogus "rally car" story again on this thread only a few weeks later as though it is still a possibility. It isn't!

I also wrote:

.....So yes, 70% of 3800 Z & Z-L models made in 1971 is around the 2700 mark - but when you are quoting stuff like this on forums I think you have a duty to put it into context, otherwise it just screws up the usefulness of the SEARCH function for the next person that uses it.

If you recall, I also helped you to identify the build date of your car to within a month or so - and told you where to look to find and cross-reference more data from the car. To see you now write that you "don't remember" is a bit dismaying to say the least........

Alan T.

Sorry Alan; didn't mean to ruffle feathers. I've looked at literally a hundred sites on the Internet over the past 6 months for information on the 70-71 Zs, and the FairladyZ. Didn't remember which one (yup, it waz u,) but glad to hear the information is correct.

[Kerrigan]

I remember that thread. You stated to look under rear view mirror and the insturments for day/month stamps and for stamps thought the car in verious places. That was a very informative thread....

And dates based on Japanese nobility birth date ...

[HS30-H]

And dates based on Japanese nobility birth date ...

Nothing to do with the birthdays of Emperors. It's all to do with ascendancy to the 'Chrysanthemum Throne'. The date that the Emperor's reign effectively starts. In the case of Emperor 'Showa' ( known outside Japan as Hirohito ) it is 1925.

STANDARD EQUIPMENT

Datsun 240Z Fairlady Z-L Fairlady Z

2.4L 150hp 2.0L 130hp 2.0L 130hp

4spd 3.36 Final 5spd. 3.9 Final 4spd.

175HR14 Radials 14" Bias-ply 14" Bias-ply

AM Sig. Seeking AM/FM Stereo - - - -

Electric Clock Stop Watch Clock - - - -

Reclining Seats Relining Seats - - - -

Rubber Bumper Rubber Bumper - - - -

Rear Defrost Rear Defrost - - - -

- - - Passing Light - - - -

- - - Assistant's Footrest - - - -

Full Carpet - - - - - - - -

Tinted Glass - - - - - - - -

Underhood Light - - - - - - - -

Map Light - - - - - - - -

CourtesyLight (door switch) - - - - - - - -

Steering Wheel Lock - - - - - - - -

Additional Color Standards

904 Dark Green - - - - - - - - -

907 White - - - - - - - - -

918 Orange - - - - - - - - -

Where is this list sourced from anyway? It is chock full of mistakes.

I hope nobody uses it as any kind of reference in the future. User beware!

[Kerrigan]

Nothing to do with the birthdays of Emperors. It's all to do with ascendancy to the 'Chrysanthemum Throne'. The date that the Emperor's reign effectively starts. In the case of Emperor 'Showa' ( known outside Japan as Hirohito ) it is 1925.

Where is this list sourced from anyway? It is chock full of mistakes.

I hope nobody uses it as any kind of reference in the future. User beware!

Could someone post the corrections so we could have a reference like this in the future?

[Six_Shooter]

It's an L20A engine. Normal output on the 1971 Fairlady Z-L was 130PS @ 6000rpm, with 125PS on the lower-compression version for use with 'Regular' grade fuel. You'd probably have to look at the distributor type to discern whether you have the low compression version or not.

Note the use of PS rather than HP or BHP in the power rating.

Sounds like you might have the wrong factory manual for your engine/car? Which one do you have?

So what is PS?

[Carl Beck]

Where is this list sourced from anyway? It is chock full of mistakes.

I hope nobody uses it as any kind of reference in the future. User beware!

Hi Alan:

The info for the Standard Equipment on the Fairlady Z and Z-L - is from the documents and translations you published here. I took your explanations and translations, and made notes on the images you supplied in several threads for reference..

You Wrote in relation to the images:

Read across the columns to see what is Option and what is Standard Equipment. A blank means it is not available on that model.

Gray Square represented "Standard Equipment" on the images...

*5-speed Transmission.

*165HR-14 Tyres.

*Air Con Kit.

*Leather Handle. ( 'Handle' = steering wheel in the Japanese vernacular )

*Leather Shift Lever Knob.

*Car Stereo.

*Stop Watch Clock.

*Two Hands style Clock. ( the normal clock )

*Reclining Seat Device.

*Passing Light.

*Fog Lamp.

and

Again, reading from left to right across the top:

*Dual Exhaust. ( that's the full twin-pipe system, standard equipment on the Z432 )

*Leather Top. ( actually vinyl )

*Racing Stripe.

*Rubber Bumper. ( refers to the bumper trim which was standard on the Z-L and Z432 )

*Over Rider.

*Electrically Heated Rear Glass.

*Headlamp Covers.

*Roll Bar.

*Air Spoiler. ( that's the early-shape one, often mistakenly called the "BRE" spoiler in the USA )

*Assistant's Footrest.

*FM Pack.

The info for the US 240-Z is from the 70/71 Sales Brochures

If you see information that is wrong - by all means add the correct info. and I'll correct my notes.

FWIW,

Carl B.

[HS30-H]

So what is PS?

PS is the industry abbreviation for the German language term 'Pferdestärke' ( 'Horse strength' / power ).

Horsepower X 1.01 = PS (Pferdestärke)

PS (Pferdestärke) X 0.986 = Horsepower

Kilowatt X 1.36 = PS (Pferdestärke)

PS (Pferdestärke) X 0.735 = Kilowatt

[HS30-H]

Hi Alan:

The info for the Standard Equipment on the Fairlady Z and Z-L - is from the documents and translations you published here. I took your explanations and translations, and made notes on the images you supplied in several threads for reference..

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The info for the US 240-Z is from the 70/71 Sales Brochures

If you see information that is wrong - by all means add the correct info. and I'll correct my notes.

Carl,

I'm wondering if you mis-read some of the columns from the original scans?

For example - referring to the list you wrote out comparing Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L standard equipment with '240Z' standard equipment in post #10 of this thread - you have blanks next to the spaces for FULL CARPET, TINTED GLASS, UNDERHOOD LIGHT, MAP LIGHT and STEERING WHEEL LOCK on the Fairlady Z-L column. All of those items were standard equipment on the Z-L model, and optional on the Z-S.

Here are links to the two main threads where I posted scans of some of the original Japanese market sales brochures and tried to explain the options and standard equipment specs:

Japanese market brochure - late 1969 specs: http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14422

Japanese market brochure - late 1971 specs: http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14501

We discussed quite a lot of things in those threads, so it seems worth referring back to them directly. I put a lot of effort into them if nothing else.

In your post #10 on this thread you posted a table comparing Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L specs with a '240Z' specs column ( you explain above that this was a 70/71 US market spec list ) - but it might be fairer and more accurate to look at the later ( ie - late 1971 ) specs for the Japanese models if you are going to compare them to a 1971 north American market spec car, as the Japanese spec was changed and updated during the 69~73 period.

And if you are going to do that, then perhaps it would be logical and fair to include the three L24-engined variants introduced to the Japanese market in late 1971 too. At that point there were seven distinct S30-series Z variants on the showroom floors in Japan......

I don't know why your comparison of the Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L models against that north American market 240Z did not also include the Fairlady Z432 and Fairlady Z432-R models, which were available during the same period. It seems - at the very least - unfair to leave them out.

Alan T.

[26th-Z]

Alan,

The "man-from-Z-Therapy's wife" has a very nice collection of literature and techmical information. Be gentle. :-)

[HS30-H]

Be gentle. :-)

I always try to be a gentleman where the ladies are concerned.

In my defence, I did write "no disprespect intended.......", but perhaps the red mist got to me a little bit. Can you imagine how frustrating it is just trying to get all this stuff straight and easy to understand ( in my own head, let alone anywhere else ), only to have erroneous info come out of left field and taken as gospel - even if it is only some kind of 'lost in translation' kind of misunderstanding?

Surely that Z-L = "Rally option" thing can only have been just that - a misunderstanding? If not, I'd like to see the literature and technical information that it comes from.........

Changing the subject a little, I think the challenge that Kerrigan faces in entering his car to be judged at car shows is very interesting. Do you remember me asking about a ( theoretical ) situation that might arise should a Japanese-market car be entered into a ZCCA-judged event? Looks to me like Kerrigan is in the 'front line' of that particular battle. I'd love to be a fly on the wall, and listen to some of the comments from the judges about what was 'correct' and what was not..........

Alan T.