How much would you pay for a 70-73 Fairlady

[Kerrigan]

This one has all the items listed here in the Z-L, except the rubber bumper, plus the tinted glass, underhood light, map light, steering wheel lock.

The original color (found on the underside of the storage compartment lids,) seems to be Nissan 901 Silver.

It did not have bumper overriders (has the factory plugs in the holes.)

From what we have been told the headlight covers were installed when the car was sold at the dealer in Japan, as was the black front spoiler with tunnels for air to the brakes (maker unknown).

It is thought the Carellos were also installed in Japan, at or shortly after purchase.

I think that the "L" was Luxury... it had more "Standard Equipment".

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STANDARD EQUIPMENT

<b>Datsun 240Z Fairlady Z-L Fairlady Z</b>

2.4L 150hp 2.0L 130hp 2.0L 130hp

4spd 3.36 Final 5spd. 3.9 Final 4spd.

175HR14 Radials 14" Bias-ply 14" Bias-ply

AM Sig. Seeking AM/FM Stereo - - - -

Electric Clock Stop Watch Clock - - - -

Reclining Seats Relining Seats - - - -

Rubber Bumper Rubber Bumper - - - -

Rear Defrost Rear Defrost - - - -

- - - Passing Light - - - -

- - - Assistant's Footrest - - - -

Full Carpet - - - - - - - -

Tinted Glass - - - - - - - -

Underhood Light - - - - - - - -

Map Light - - - - - - - -

CourtesyLight (door switch) - - - - - - - -

Steering Wheel Lock - - - - - - - -

Additional Color Standards

904 Dark Green - - - - - - - - -

907 White - - - - - - - - -

918 Orange - - - - - - - - -

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OPTIONS:

Just about every "option" offered on the Fairlady and Fairlady Z-L at the Factory Outlets in Japan, were matched by Nissan Port Installed or Dealer Installed Options and/or Aftermarket Equipment here in the States:

Dual Exhaust

5spd.

Vinyl Top

Racing Strip

Bumper Over-Rider

Headlight Covers

Roll Bar

Rear Spoiler

Assistant Footrest

FM Pack

A/C

Dealers here in the States were prohibited, by law, from changing any items related to the U.S. Emissions Standards. However the law did not prevent customers from making whatever changes they wanted in 49 of the 50 U.S. States and Canada.

Although it doesn't seem to have been listed by Alan or Kats - I'm not sure about full carpet being Standard on the Z-L. ???? I could have missed it along the way.

FWIW,

Carl B.

[HS30-H]

From the man at ZTherapy who's wife collects Nissan paper. He said it was an L type which was the rally option, which explained the rally clock and Type A 5-speed ...

Well, no disprespect intended to the "man at ZTherapy" and/or his wife, but they don't know what they are talking about. The 'L' in 'Z-L' ( the 'S30' model as opposed to the 'S30-S', or 'Standard' model ) denotes 'Luxe' as in Deluxe. You'll sometimes see the two models named 'Z-S' and 'Z-L' as well as 'Z-Std' and 'Z-DX' in other Nissan documentation, such as parts lists etc.

I have absolutely no idea where they got the idea that the two-button Stop Watch Clock and Type A 5-speed denoted any kind of "rally option" ( how bizarre ) as a great proportion of the S30-series Zs sold in Japan during that period had exactly the same equipment. There is absolutely no connection with anything remotely "rally" related, and it is not any kind of special edition like the 432, 432-R or ZG.

It been interesting trying to get info on the car; we've had just about every possible idea tossed out from all over the world. The L seemed to be the most logical.

Logical? But I already told you exactly what it is in our direct correspondence! I really don't know what to say to you. You're obviously listening to the wrong people. I'm almost speechless. If you used the SEARCH function on this site you'd find absolutely loads of posts that I've made in the past that would give you the answers to the questions you were asking.

It's a nice car, and unusual where you live, but Nissan made thousands of them.

"Rally option"............ For heaven's sake..........

[Carl Beck]

This one has all the items listed here in the Z-L, except the rubber bumper, plus the tinted glass, underhood light, map light, steering wheel lock.

Those items (tinted glass, underhood light, map light and steering wheel lock) may very well have also been Standard Equipment on the Z-L, just not listed on the sales brochures. I didn't see them specifically listed as "optional" anywhere either.

Alan / Kats ??

FWIW,

Carl B.

[HS30-H]

Just about every "option" offered on the Fairlady and Fairlady Z-L at the Factory Outlets in Japan, were matched by Nissan Port Installed or Dealer Installed Options and/or Aftermarket Equipment here in the States:

Oh dear. I thought you had been at least partially cured of 'Beck-O-Vision', but you appear to be having something of a relapse........

You showed a list of 'options' for three models, but you don't mention what year they apply to and you don't mention what market version the 'Datsun 240Z' quoted was.

Of course, from late 1969 those Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L models sat side-by-side in the Japanese catalogues and showrooms with the Fairlady Z432 and Fairlady Z432-R models. In late 1971 they were joined by the three new L24-engined models - the Fairlady 240Z, Fairlady 240Z-L and Fairlady 240ZG. That's quite a wide range of variants and specs to choose from - all of which could, of course, be optioned-up or optioned-down should the buyer choose to. He also had the contents of the Nissan 'Sports Option' lists to peruse, should he be that way inclined. I think anyone can see that the Japanese home market had far more choice than any other market.

.....were matched by Nissan Port Installed or Dealer Installed Options and/or Aftermarket Equipment here in the States:

"Aftermarket". So all comparisons of showroom / catalogue specs and options are out of the window because basically any car can be modified one way or another? Where are you going with that line of discussion, then? I don't see the point. How does it relate to what you are quoting? What's your point?

Although it doesn't seem to have been listed by Alan or Kats - I'm not sure about full carpet being Standard on the Z-L. ???? I could have missed it along the way.

I have no idea why you are relying on "Alan or Kats" to post such basic information. I guess it must be linked to the fact that you think the Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L are ( and I quote you here ) "irrelevant". Does it mean that you consciously avoid information about them?

[Kerrigan]

Those items (tinted glass, underhood light, map light and steering wheel lock) may very well have also been Standard Equipment on the Z-L, just not listed on the sales brochures. I didn't see them specifically listed as "optional" anywhere either.

Alan / Kats ??

FWIW,

Carl B.

It's nice to have the information; so "Luxury" or "Lux" or the same, is the "L" designation, which appears to be this model.

It's a nice little "rally car", whatever the designation .....

Another piece of info I'd like to clear up is the horsepower. The engine block says "L20". The factory manual refers to an L20A engine with 115 horsepower. Other people say this engine is 130hp. Which is correct? It has the redline set at 7000rpm on the rpm gauge ... not the 6500 rpm I've seen on what, a '70 240Z? On something like that ...

Soooo much information to sort through ...

and thank you!!

[HS30-H]

Those items (tinted glass, underhood light, map light and steering wheel lock) may very well have also been Standard Equipment on the Z-L, just not listed on the sales brochures. I didn't see them specifically listed as "optional" anywhere either.

All standard equipment on the 1971-build 'Z-L', and extra-cost options on the 'Z' that 'Z' buyers didn't normally specify for fear of totally missing the point.

[Kerrigan]

Is there any written record anywhere (broad term,) that one could obtain or access, which would track this S3005553 serial number (on the firewall - car has NO VIN number plate nor place for one,) from factory to wherever?

The date stamps found so far point to a 10th day of the 5th month (assuming it means May 10 ... and probably 1971 as it is a 1/2 1971 car (unless that information is also incorrect,) as the assembly date.

Any info on this specific car would be wonderful. I've had it for 30 years and haven't seen a single document relating to this option car, or the car itself, aside from the Oregon title.

Oh dear. I thought you had been at least partially cured of 'Beck-O-Vision', but you appear to be having something of a relapse........

You showed a list of 'options' for three models, but you don't mention what year they apply to and you don't mention what market version the 'Datsun 240Z' quoted was.

Of course, from late 1969 those Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L models sat side-by-side in the Japanese catalogues and showrooms with the Fairlady Z432 and Fairlady Z432-R models. In late 1971 they were joined by the three new L24-engined models - the Fairlady 240Z, Fairlady 240Z-L and Fairlady 240ZG. That's quite a wide range of variants and specs to choose from - all of which could, of course, be optioned-up or optioned-down should the buyer choose to. He also had the contents of the Nissan 'Sports Option' lists to peruse, should he be that way inclined. I think anyone can see that the Japanese home market had far more choice than any other market.

"Aftermarket". So all comparisons of showroom / catalogue specs and options are out of the window because basically any car can be modified one way or another? Where are you going with that line of discussion, then? I don't see the point. How does it relate to what you are quoting? What's your point?

I have no idea why you are relying on "Alan or Kats" to post such basic information. I guess it must be linked to the fact that you think the Fairlady Z and Fairlady Z-L are ( and I quote you here ) "irrelevant". Does it mean that you consciously avoid information about them?

[Kerrigan]

What is important about the options and when/where they were added is when one puts the car in an ISCA show. Any "option" not installed at sale time, either by the factor or the dealer, is consider a modification. Wheels, etc., if not original, are mods.

0-3 mods is a conservative sports class, while more mods put it in classes further from the "original".

The judges are influenced by being able to show that the headlight covers, for instance, are Nissan parts installed at the dealer at sale time, rather than considering them an aftermarket mod.

Realizing not many people are concerned about showing the car in competition, I can understand why these "accessory adds" are not cared about very much by most.

And that's why I'm trying to nail down the specifics about what was and was not offered or installed by dealers, as opposed to people installing their own "mods" NOS parts or not, after the car was purchased.

Fun huh!

[HS30-H]

The engine block says "L20". The factory manual refers to an L20A engine with 115 horsepower. Other people say this engine is 130hp. Which is correct? It has the redline set at 7000rpm on the rpm gauge ... not the 6500 rpm I've seen on what, a '70 240Z? On something like that ...

It's an L20A engine. Normal output on the 1971 Fairlady Z-L was 130PS @ 6000rpm, with 125PS on the lower-compression version for use with 'Regular' grade fuel. You'd probably have to look at the distributor type to discern whether you have the low compression version or not.

Note the use of PS rather than HP or BHP in the power rating.

Sounds like you might have the wrong factory manual for your engine/car? Which one do you have?

[HS30-H]

Is there any written record anywhere (broad term,) that one could obtain or access, which would track this S3005553 serial number (on the firewall - car has NO VIN number plate nor place for one,) from factory to wherever?

Broadly speaking, no. The best chance you would have had would be if previous owners had left their documentation ( original purchase order, bill of sale, etc ) with the car when they sold it. If you don't have anything at all then it's going to be all but impossible to track down the dealership in Japan that actually sold the car when it was new. Even if you could it would be most unlikely that they still exist in their original form or that they would have a record of cars sold in 1971........

Nissan Japan would have documented where it was sent to when it was first shipped out of the factory, but you have almost zero chance of getting that data as Nissan claim to have 'destroyed' much of that kind of information.

The car would have had an identity plate in the engine bay when it left the factory, but it sounds like it has been taken off or lost at some time in the past before your ownership. To be honest, it would not reveal very much more about the car anyway....

Any info on this specific car would be wonderful. I've had it for 30 years and haven't seen a single document relating to this option car, or the car itself, aside from the Oregon title.

No offence, but there's plenty of data and documentation on the Japanese market models out there just waiting for you to come along and get it. The point is of course that when you are researching a Japanese market model of a Japanese car then your best source of information is going to be in Japan, and in Japanese.

You already know quite a lot about the car ( recent bad info excepted ) so realistically there's not a lot left for you to find out. It appears to have been a pretty standard issue silver 1971 Fairlady Z-L model when it left the factory. Researching that model and the other Japanese models, and cross-referencing that with other S30-series Z models sold around the world will tell you pretty much enough to be getting on with......

As far as I can imagine, your biggest obstacle is going to be 'educating' the people that are judging your car when you enter car shows. If they know less about the Japanese market models than you do then you have a steep mountain to climb......

[sblake01]

'Beck-O-Vision'

LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

I'm going to have to leave the computer for a while to compose myself after reading that one!

[Kerrigan]

It appears to have been a pretty standard issue silver 1971 Fairlady Z-L model when it left the factory. Researching that model and the other Japanese models, and cross-referencing that with other S30-series Z models sold around the world will tell you pretty much enough to be getting on with......

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Good info; thank you! Did run across a production figure of somewhere around 2700 of the Z-L model for 1971, but I dont remember where I saw that figure. Does that sound "reasonable"?

Yes, the problem in finding out a lot of JDM info is it is in Japanese (surprise) in Japan; the Z discussion groups, etc. And not reading or speaking Japanese or knowing anyone who does leave us wanting in that department.

Info from people such as yourself who have it around is great.