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[e_racer1999]

i don't know whether they meant to put up the letter "Z", but according to wikipedia (although not always accurate), the flag used was the former

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_flags#military

(bottom flag)

[26th-Z]

Well that blue and white checked flag is the State of Bavaria, isn't it? Do you think it could be a Geortz thing?

I need to change the flag on my geisha.

[Carl Beck]

i don't know whether they meant to put up the letter "Z", but according to wikipedia (although not always accurate), the flag used was the former

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_flags#military

(bottom flag)

Hi Jason:

That is kind of my point. Earlier I ask if it was the signal flag or the letter Z that was the cultural symbol. I found it odd that the Japanese would have an English Letter used for a Japanese cultural symbol. On the other hand flags are in general used for national symbols...

If Admiral Togo wrote in his ships log that he ran up the "Z" flag in 1905 - then years later when his ship was being restored Post WW-II ; and someone at that point in time looked up the then current signal flag, they would have found the Yellow,Blue,Red,Black example.... When they should have referred to the list of Navel Signal Flags in use circa 1905 in which case the actual flag used might have been the Blue/White example.

It seems that the Yellow,Blue,Red,Black flag is used today by the Right Wing in Japan as a symbol. So if it is actually a Right Wing Symbol, flown by the Japanese Imperial Navy circa 1905 and then by the ship that lead the attack on Pearl Harbor... is it the same as the Swastika flag used by the Nazis Party in Germany? Japan's territorial expansion between 1875 and 1930 lead to the deaths of some 20 Million to 30 Million people.

Does it meaning of "ultimate" actually refer to Imperial Japan's ultimate dominance of South East Asia?? If so, maybe we in the West shouldn't be pushing this flag as in any way associated with the Z Car.

IMHO - Wikipedia is a great idea, and usually provides some information - but all to many times it provides wrong or misleading information. In my opinion it is still way to hard to get misinformation corrected.

FWIW,

Carl

[Carl Beck]

Well that blue and white checked flag is the State of Bavaria, isn't it? Do you think it could be a Geortz thing?

I need to change the flag on my geisha.

Hi Chris:

Yes - I'm beginning to think that this could be a Goertz thing in more ways than one. Interesting nonetheless.

FWIW,

Carl B.

[HS30-H]

Surely the most relevant meaning attached to the 'Z' signal flag - as far as it applies to the story of 'our' cars - is what it meant to Katayama and Matsuo, between whom the vignette took place.

If it was not for this little tale, the 'Z' signal flag would have absolutely no relevance to the story surrounding our cars whatsoever - apart that is from the coincidence of the letter 'Z' signal in some uses of the flag.

What it signified to Katayama and Matsuo is what - I suggest - is of importance to us. Don't discount the possibility that they themselves may not have completely understood its historical significance.

When I asked Matsuo san about it, his explanation - in the most simple terms that I can translate here by way of explanation - was that to him, in the context of the situation in which it was used, it meant "Let's go for it".............

Alan T.

[conedodger]

IMHO - Wikipedia is a great idea, and usually provides some information - but all to many times it provides wrong or misleading information. In my opinion it is still way to hard to get misinformation corrected.

FWIW,

Carl

Carl,

The five schools I teach for agree with you. They find Wikipedia an interesting concept and in reality it will ultimately dictate meaning. However, students are not allowed to reference Wikipedia as an academic source.

An ancient semiotician who's name escapes me said "whatever you call a thing, that is what it is". He was refering to the unique human ability to assign name and therefore meaning to a thing or phenomenon. This is why Wikipedia will ultimately dictate meaning.

Interesting discussion... I appreciate your analysis.

Rob

[Carl Beck]

Surely the most relevant meaning attached to the 'Z' signal flag - as far as it applies to the story of 'our' cars - is what it meant to Katayama and Matsuo, between whom the vignette took place.

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When I asked Matsuo san about it, his explanation - in the most simple terms that I can translate here by way of explanation - was that to him, in the context of the situation in which it was used, it meant "Let's go for it".............

Hi Alan:

Very good point - and it should bring us (well me) back to reality here. Symbolic meaning always boils down to the personal significance one assigns to the symbol.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programing....

FWIW,

Carl B.

[e_racer1999]

but isn't it so much fun to speculate and come up with conspiracy theories?