Overhead at a car show last weekend

[26th-Z]

It has to be the full moon passing in Gemini along with the rising sun moving into the house of Gemini. Usually everyone here is pretty stickly on the facts rather than the opinion and gab that is going on here. Ohh, I hope no one believes the war crimes / name change / afraid of failure garbage. Yes, Alan, the name change was - in the American market - a gaff beyond description. And it devistated Nissan. No close scrutiny of the books required.

But what has me rolling way beyond Carl's grammar and the mild misspelling here and there is the very title of this thread! When I first opened up the subject, this is what I thought it was about.

[conedodger]

That might have been because of the quality of the point making, rather than the point being made.

Never mind, at least you bagged one. And Tomohawk doesn't count because I'm still not 100% sure he understood that your point was, er, missing the point.

You mean that there was a Mr Nissan.....???!!! WOW. That's one that got left out of the history books. I guess he must be the guy that wrote his name in big letters on the top of your engine, huh?

I love these comedy threads.

Alan T.

Sorry, that should have read associated with the name Nissan...

[mally002]

OK,

Correct me if I'm wrong....but there technically was never a "Blunder".....Didn't DATSUN begin in 1911 by Masujiro Hashimoto who needed funds to get the company off the ground and used the first initials of the "money men" to honor them...........thus....DAT..(Kenjiro Den, Rokuro Aoyama, and Meitaro Takeuchi)......which became datson, which became datsun.

It wasn't until 1933 that they were operating as NISSAN.

So how can you "hide" who you are by using the name Nissan, when you have been producing Datsuns since 1911?

[JonnyRock]

I think it's funny how far this topic has gone.

So how can you "hide" who you are by using the name Nissan, when you have been producing Datsuns since 1911?

The comments have been focusing on hiding behind the DATSUN name, not the NISSAN name btw.

And with all respect Randy, yes you can "hide" who you are. While it never fooled the motoring press, I'm sure that the majority of the American public didn't know DATSUN was NISSAN owned name. And I'm positive they didn't know that DATSUN was the older brand (I'm paraphrasing you here, but I don't know if it's correct).

I also don't know the reasons DATSUN was chosen to enter the market rather than NISSAN, but in my earlier post I mentioned that I have read it was done to prevent possibly damaging the NISSAN name. And as it pertains to the American public, this does in fact make a good deal of sense. A large portion of the public today doesn't understand VOLVO is a FORD name, or that until recently, JEEP and MERCEDES were sister brands (under the old DIAMLERCHRYSLER AG). That's not to say any of these companies are hiding this information, just that it's not necessarily general knowledge outside of the automotive and business sectors.

[TomoHawk]

I once met Mr. Fujiwara of Fuji Heavy Industries. I don't suppose he or Fuji Heavy Industry is in there somewhere too?

thxZ

[JonnyRock]

I once met Mr. Fujiwara of Fuji Heavy Industries. I don't suppose he or Fuji Heavy Industry is in there somewhere too?

I'm not sure what you're getting at there, but I'm sure if you asked almost anyone on the street what Fuji Heavy Industries was, they wouldn't have any clue, let alone know it is Subaru's parent company.

[mally002]

I guess the bottom line for most Americans is they don't really care.....

It's us "Car Nuts" that give a Damn,,,,,er Datsun.

But your right Jonny, most people don't understand (or care for that matter).

Now back to your regular scheduled program..................

PS............Soylent Green is People.......:sick:

[hls30.com]

It is what it is, As Ron says, "two Rons don't make a right"(is it just me or does that sound like something that could be in an early FSM) and with all of the errors Nissan made, they managed to make a great car we all enjoy, pamper, work on, photograph, write about, joined this club to share information about, and drive-everything else was just part of the journey to get here. The bumps make you appreciate the smooth parts of the road(much like an ex-wife), the Rapscallions(Albert Goertz) teach you to trust but verify, the Experts teach you that we all know something, and if it was all the same thing we(they) would have nothing to talk about or more importantly to learn, and the cars teach you we all have something we can agree on-the Z in the garage or on the curb still makes us smile after close to 40 years.

Will

PS, used Parts are Zs...

[Mr Camouflage]

There is a Mr Nissan who owns a computer business in the USA: Nissan Computer Corp.

The way Nissan Motors has treated him is shameful.

http://www.nissan.com/Lawsuit/The_Story.php

[TomoHawk]

I feel for that guy. Also, I have a friend whos name is FORD (or doesn't most everyone?), should he quit being a machinist or change his name?

[Carl Beck]

I once met Mr. Fujiwara of Fuji Heavy Industries. I don't suppose he or Fuji Heavy Industry is in there somewhere too?

thxZ

See my Post #19.

In 1948 William R. Gorham joined Fuji Motor Company as Vice President. Mr. Yamamoto who had previously served as President of Nissan Motors, had moved to become President of Fuji Motors and ask Mr. Gorham to join him there, to get Fuji restarted.

Fuji Heavy Industries was broken up after WW-II. Fuji Motors was started in 1948, to refurbish thousands of US Military Trucks that had been left in various parts of the South Sea's after the war. In order to determine where and how these vehicles would be repaired/rebuilt, the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers had to decide. Both Mr. Yamamoto and Mr. Gorham were ask for their assistance in this matter.

Of course Fuji Heavy Industries was reformed in 1953 by consolidating Fuji Motors with several of Fuji Heavy Industries' previous parts.

FWIW,

Carl B.

[westpak]

I was on a trip this week and had some time on planes to read and did some light reading of the book below, I found it very interesting and had some info on the subject discussed here from Mr K's view, if you can find a copy I would get it

Front cover

Back cover