Looking for engine L24-063102

[Garagegoon]

I know, I know.... Call it what you want.... A shot in the dark, or needle in a haystack. It's out there somewhere though. Mine runs great but I'm aiming to do a full up resto on it and a numbers matching car would be nice. So....It may be slim but worth a try.

L24-063102

[lonetreesteve]

I just recently sold a spare engine -it was #060039, a little far off from the one you are looking for. It was a very unusual engine with the E31 raised lettering on the block, not the usual P31 for an engine number this high, it had an E31 head and the 'Nissan 2400 OHC' valve cover (which I kept and replaced it with a later one). In fact, this spare engine was the subject of my very first thread back in May of 2004 called '1970 Engine?' Good luck with your search.

Edited November 25, 2008 by lonetreesteve

[WDILL]

I have engine # L24-006302 off VIN HLS3003435. The car is going through frame off restoration now at Rod Shop of Memphis. (rodshopofmemphis.com)

Hopefully I'll have it back in the spring. Will costs more than I thought but in line wiht what others on this site have estimated.

[JimmyZ]

I know, I know.... Call it what you want.... A shot in the dark, or needle in a haystack. It's out there somewhere though. Mine runs great but I'm aiming to do a full up resto on it and a numbers matching car would be nice. So....It may be slim but worth a try.

L24-063102

You do know that Z car engine numbers don't match the VIN right? It surprised me when I found out but it's true. Do a search and you'll probably find that you do have the "original" engine.

As an example 26th Z's motor is a couple thousand #'s off. He has the original invoice detailing this. The VIN is low but the engine # is higher.

Jim

Edited November 26, 2008 by JimmyZ

[Mr Camouflage]

You do know that Z car engine numbers don't match the VIN right? It surprised me when I found out but it's true. Do a search and you'll probably find that you do have the "original" engine.

As an example 26th Z's motor is a couple thousand #'s off. He has the original invoice detailing this. The VIN is low but the engine # is higher.

Jim

You do know what matching numbers car means, right? It means that the numbers on the ID tag for the chassis and engine number match the vin number on the firewall, and engine respectively. Not that they are all the same number. It's just a way of saying its the original chassis with the same engine it left the factory with.

Surprises me that people think the chassis number should be the same as the engine number.

L24's all had sequential numbers on the block, and they were used in many different models, so its no surprise that the engine number is a lot higher than the chassis number.

This guy is looking for the original engine that was in his car (as stamped on the VIN tag) because he's obviously had the engine swapped out at some point. Right Garagegoon?

[JonnyRock]

Craig is right. He's not looking for the engine # that matches his VIN, he's in search of the engine # matching what's stamped on the engine ID tag on the passenger side of the engine bay.

[Carl Beck]

Hi Guys:

We may have some confusion related to the application and meanings of some terms here. At least it seemed conflicted to me... maybe others/maybe not.

You do know that Z car engine numbers don't match the VIN right?

You do know what matching numbers car means, right? It means that the numbers on the ID tag for the chassis and engine number match the vin number on the firewall, and engine respectively. ....

....and....

Surprises me that people think the chassis number should be the same as the engine number.

"matching number car means".... is a little too general, because cars manufactured and sold in the US, past some date specified in U.S. law, DO have engine ID's matching the Chassis Numbers.

Which explains why many people new to the Z Cars, can get confused about the term "matching number car".

I think JimmyZ stated it correctly to begin with, "Z car engine numbers don't match the VIN".

This guy is looking for the original engine that was in his car (as stamped on the VIN tag) because he's obviously had the engine swapped out at some point. Right Garagegoon?

"as stamped on the VIN tag" - If a "tag" is a small metal strip affixed to the car, with the VIN stamped into it, then that might be the VIN tag fixed to the Dash on US/Canadian Z Cars. Not all Z's have a "VIN tag".

As far as I know, all First Generation Z's have a Model Number Plate, found under the hood. The Model Number Plate has the VIN and original engine serial number stamped into it.

The VIN contains both the Model Information and the chassis serial number. The VIN is stamped into the firewall.

FWIW,

Carl B.

Edited November 27, 2008 by Carl Beck

[Garagegoon]

Ok.... There seems to be alot of dicussion over all this. The origional engine was removed during the restoration in the 90's. The tag on the strut tower in the engine bay tells me that the engine # is L24-063102. This is not the engine that is in it.

The owner that restored it.... well..... I shouldnt say restored..... but...... Anyways, he sold the engine to a guy in oklahoma but does not have his info. Im just tossing this note out there in hopes he or whomever owns the engine now might read it.

1972 240z HLS30-50836

Edited November 27, 2008 by Garagegoon

[JimmyZ]

Let's hope your chasis and engine have a reunion then! Some time ago I was a little down when I noticed that my block number didnt match the VIN. It was via this board that I found that this is normal. Made me much happier to know that I had the "right" motor after all.

Good luck on your search.

Jim

Edited November 27, 2008 by JimmyZ

[HS30-H]

Hi Guys:

We may have some confusion related to the application and meanings of some terms here. At least it seemed conflicted to me... maybe others/maybe not.

Ha ha ha

"Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle...."

Not all Z's have a "VIN tag".

Carl, I'd take you a lot more seriously on this subject if I thought you you knew what such a tag was called in Japan when the car was being made. You know, that far away country that existed solely to make Zs for the USA and ( sometimes ) Canada.

Of course, we all use the convenient label of "VIN tag" when we are talking about this stuff because we are all trying to talk about the same thing and minimise the confusion. It's just vernacular, and as long as everyone realises what is being discussed, and that the subject is something of a moving target ( with regional market and familial model differences ) then all should be well. Just like when you talk about the "door jam tag", but I know you actually mean 'door jamb tag'.

*Unless there's an obscure flavour of jam that I have never heard of.........

As far as I know, all First Generation Z's have a Model Number Plate, found under the hood. The Model Number Plate has the VIN and original engine serial number stamped into it.

Groundhog day again, I see. I have pointed this out to you on this forum many times, but it just never seems to sink in. Maybe it is because you think the Japanese market cars ( or at least some of them? ) are "irrelevant", or maybe you just have trouble remembering, but NOW HEAR THIS:

"First Generation" Japanese market S30-series Zs do not have their engine block number stamped anywhere on the car except on the engine block itself. Print that out and hang it on the wall of your garage if you have trouble remembering it.

The VIN contains both the Model Information and the chassis serial number. The VIN is stamped into the firewall.

Nope. What we can call "the VIN" ( I'll use 'Shatai Bango' for my cars, thanks ) does not contain anything more than a clue to the "Model Information". Does it differentiate between a north American market 'HLS30' prefixed car and an 'HLS30' prefixed Swiss market car? No. Does it differentiate between a domestic market 'HS30' prefixed Fairlady 240ZG and an Australian market 'HS30' prefixed 'Datsun 240Z'? No, it does not. Does it differentiate between an 'S30' prefixed Fairlady Z and an 'S30' prefixed Fairlady Z-L? Shall I go on?

If you find it impossible to think of The Big Picture when it comes to this family of S30-series Z models, then I sincerely hope that others will see what you are doing and recognise it for the short-sightedness that it is. As something of a revered 'oracle' in the English language early-Z interweb ether, you need to be extra careful of what you write.

Can't have a shepherd that leads his flock over the edge of a cliff, can we?

Cordially, yours etc.

Alan T.

Edited November 27, 2008 by HS30-H
added a little 'h-o-p-e'......

[geezer]

What we can call "the VIN" ( I'll use 'Shatai Bango' for my cars, thanks ) does not contain anything more than a clue to the "Model Information". Alan T.

This is so very true. With this being brought up in this thread and also being asked in another is, "determining how car was equipped from factory", I think a dedicated thread is nessesary to do this subject justice. I will start a new one soon and contribute what I can to help promote further understanding.

As far as L24-063102, you never know, it may turn up. Here's a thought. Look for a post by MikeW and follow his registry link and list it under Engines and note "looking for". Too bad Mike's link wasn't out in the open more, it would get more traffic.

[JimmyZ]

You know, that far away country that existed solely to make Zs for the USA and ( sometimes ) Canada.

[*Unless there's an obscure flavour of jam that I have never heard of.........

Cordially, yours etc.

Alan T.

Wait a minute Alan. I thought the sole reason of Japans existence was to provide us with 240Z's... Preferably HLS30 models! ROFLROFLROFL

I like the American flavored "jam" myself. We still have a few bees over here for tree pollination.

Totally in Jest...

Jim