Looking for engine L24-063102

[geezer]

Wait a minute Alan. I thought the sole reason of Japans existence was to provide us with 240Z's... Preferably HLS30 models! ROFLROFLROFL

I like the American flavored "jam" myself. We still have a few bees over here for tree pollination.

Totally in Jest...

Jim

Holy crap Jimmy! Now were all gonna get yelled at!

Oh, and while you're standing in that HLS30 line, I'll be in the shorter line.:laugh:

[240znz]

I'm sure it would be easier to do the unthinkable and grind off the existing engine block number and re-stamp it with the number that matches the 'Shatai Bango' than it would be to track the old engine down.

Not suggesting that you do this of course, but pointing out an option just in case it is a must do for you.

ps...hope I used the correct terminology.

[MikeW]

Too bad Mike's link wasn't out in the open more, it would get more traffic.

I'm happy to have anyone post the link anywhere they like if that helps. My entire motivation behind creating a spreadsheet editable by the public was to keep people from having to rely on others to maintain the information. I'd be perfectly happy if this site itself could host the data but I don't believe that the software that runs this site has this type of capability.

I created separate tabs for 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, as well as "other S30". Hopefully that designation didn't offend anyone as only two cars have been added to that latter tab. If needed new tabs can be easily added by anyone who feels the need.

[Carl Beck]

Carl, I'd take you a lot more seriously on this subject if I thought you you knew what such a tag was called in Japan when the car was being made.

Alan:

After all these years, I still find it very sad indeed that instead of offering additional information in a manor approaching common courtesy, or conducting additional discussion related to the overall context of the thread, you have to cloak everything in rude comments, snide remarks and personal attacks on my integrity. Perhaps even worse, after all these years, you have still failed to write and publish articles of your own, choosing instead to use your bits and pieces of information to demean others.

I also find it sad that not only do you twist almost every discussion to a tangent about Japan, the models sold in Japan, or your limited ability to read/write Japanese; you twist anything written by people to an unintended meaning, with which you can take exception.

I'd take you more seriously on this subject if your constantly expressed destain wasn't so boringly repeated.

Carl B.

[moonpup]

Amen!

[Mr Camouflage]

Hi Guys:

We may have some confusion related to the application and meanings of some terms here. At least it seemed conflicted to me... maybe others/maybe not.

"matching number car means".... is a little too general, because cars manufactured and sold in the US, past some date specified in U.S. law, DO have engine ID's matching the Chassis Numbers.

"as stamped on the VIN tag" - If a "tag" is a small metal strip affixed to the car, with the VIN stamped into it, then that might be the VIN tag fixed to the Dash on US/Canadian Z Cars. Not all Z's have a "VIN tag".

As far as I know, all First Generation Z's have a Model Number Plate, found under the hood. The Model Number Plate has the VIN and original engine serial number stamped into it.

The VIN contains both the Model Information and the chassis serial number. The VIN is stamped into the firewall.

FWIW,

Carl B.

I didn't know that about American cars. I guess your perspective on the matter biases you towards thinking that the Chassis number and engine number should be the same number, but since we are talking about Japanese cars.....

When applied to the S30 "matching number car means" (at least to me it does) that the VIN Tag (Tag as in a metal plaque attached to a vehicle that contains information about that vehicle, irrespective of size, in this case I was referring to the one in the engine bay, yes lets call it the Nissan Identification Plate, or Nissan Model Number Plate, or any other name to describe the alumin(i)um plaque/plate/tag affixed to the engine bay), has numbers that match the chassis number on the firewall, and the engine in the car. Since the S30 has different numbers for chassis and engine.

Damn, now you have me sounding like a lawyer.

US cars did get this engine bay tag right?

From an Aussie perspective: We had the factory fitted tag/plate/plaque in the engine bay, and thats all. No VIN tag numbers on the dashboard, and no plates/tags in the door jamb. Though we did get an extra compliance plate in the engine bay, as dictated by Aussie law. This allow had the VIN number on it.

Edited November 28, 2008 by Mr Camouflage
spelt alumin(i)um wrong

[HS30-H]

Alan:

After all these years, I still find it very sad indeed that instead of offering additional information in a manor approaching common courtesy, or conducting additional discussion related to the overall context of the thread, you have to cloak everything in rude comments, snide remarks and personal attacks on my integrity.

Carl,

Gosh, did I hurt your feelings? Sorry about that.

Somewhere back in my formative internet forum days I received some very good advice. "Grow a skin!" I was told. As far as my exchanges with you go, I believe you get as good as you give. Along with the fawning and sycophantic comments from your fans you have to expect the odd barbed arrow now and then. And after all these years, yes - I'm still trying to correct you on stuff that we've been through what seems like a hundred times. I've tried polite ( still trying, actually ) but it seems less than effective in your case. If you don't want to be corrected, then don't make the ( deliberate? ) mistakes in the first place. That's really all this is about anyway.

Perhaps even worse, after all these years, you have still failed to write and publish articles of your own, choosing instead to use your bits and pieces of information to demean others.

Demean others? Huh?

Listen Carl, if anyone wants to "write and publish articles" they had better make sure that they are properly researched and well written. I'm still learning about these cars we discuss here - how about you? Judging by your apparent avoidance of any Japanese-sourced information - except perhaps from Kats, whose careful and interesting research has been such a great source of discussion and learning for us all on this forum - and your positive denial of first-hand stories from some of the main protagonists ( look at your performance on that L-series valve cover / engine design thread, where you rudely brushed off the words of the very man who designed the damned things and chose to believe a American advertising slogan instead ) you seem to think you have everything you need. This while you famously - and laughably - dismiss half the story of these cars as "irrelevant".

And yet zhome.com is full of mistakes, personal opinion presented as fact and advertising copy promoted to the level of biblical truth. When plain, factual errors are brought to your attention nothing seems to happen. Just last week I was on another forum when a piece of zhome.com 'truthiness' was presented as impressive proof of a particular car's race history, when in fact it was embarrassingly wrong. Wrong year, wrong classification, wrong result. But strangley, painting the result as better than it really was ( funny that ). It's been up there like that for years, misleading and misinforming all that read it. About as useful as a typhoid-infected well.

I also find it sad that not only do you twist almost every discussion to a tangent about Japan........

For heaven's sake man, WAKE UP!. These are Japanese cars we are discussing here. You seem to somehow fear and deny this, and that crass quote you so often wheel out ( "An American Car, Made in Japan" ) serves only to make you feel less guilty, and others to be misled. My pointers toward the Japanese side of the story will always be dwarfed by your efforts to persuade everyone that they should ignore it.

.....or your limited ability to read/write Japanese....

Meeeeowwww!

....manor......destain......

Never mind my Japanese, it looks like you are still struggling with English.........

The difference between you and I is that I positively seek out all data and history on the subjects that I am interested in, and I realise and accept that - for the story surrounding a Japanese car - much of this is going to be written or recorded in Japanese. That presents a challenge of course, but at least I'm looking. Would you prefer to believe that understanding ancient Egypt did not require the transliteration of hieroglyphics, or would you strive like Champollion, Akerblad and Young to found out what they actually said?

You confuse the message with the medium. If I respond to your mistakes and bad information in a way that you take exception to ( yes, look at THIS THREAD for example ) then take more care to get it right in future. If you don't make the mistakes then I'll have nothing to pick you up on, and we'll all be happy and better informed. You respond to my points of correction in this thread by completely ignoring the points that have been made, and going off on a tangent. But Carl, it's not me that you need to defend yourself from. All you need to do is broaden your view to include the things that you have sa far taken great pains to ignore, and to accept that the Japanese market cars - and all the other Export market cars - are just as much a part of the story of 'your' cars as anything else. That's not my truth, it belongs to all of us who share an interest in the concept, design, engineering and production of these cars.

Amen!

moonpup = Beck lapdog. Characteristic brown nose

Respectfully, yours etc.

Alan T.

[Montezuma]

I love these international exchanges of ideas, I know they are all in good fun in the end, afterall we are just talking about automobiles here. An infamous American once said after a court case that involved his beating came to an unpopular ending thus causing the LA Riots: "Can't we all just get along?" I really enjoy reading posts from Carl, Alan and Kats, they give me prospective on some the the history of the car I love. I don't really see any reason for someone to get upset when the other does not agree, again we are only talking about a car here. Like I alway told my kids: "someone has to be the bigger person and take the high road". Here's hoping that Goon locates his motor and everyone will be happy. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[ChrisZ]

I say, stick to the topic and keep the personal attacs out of the thread, i don't know what ever you 2 guys have against each other, it must have been long before my time, it has how ever started to be boring having to read this fight, every time one of you chime in to a thread. :finger:

Gent's take it to a battle field and leave it out of this forum, if you can't leave it out, start a discussion thread of you'r own.

Chris

[NissanMaster]

Sometimes you get a glimpse of a semicolon coming,a few lines farther on,and it is like climbing a steep path towards woods and seeing a wooden bench just at a bend in the road ahead,a place where you can sit for a moment,catching your breath,unfortunately some bloggers are so long winded and say nothing it is quite embarrasing,46 years and still no home training.

[Garagegoon]

I say, stick to the topic and keep the personal attacs out of the thread, i don't know what ever you 2 guys have against each other, it must have been long before my time, it has how ever started to be boring having to read this fight, every time one of you chime in to a thread. :finger:

Gent's take it to a battle field and leave it out of this forum, if you can't leave it out, start a discussion thread of you'r own.

Chris

I could not have said it better myself! I was just looking for information that might have led me in the direction of an engine!