OK, I see what you were looking at. The retainers (welded to the floor pan) were added very early - even 12746 had those. But the clips "apparently" weren't supplied until #77533.

  Arne said:

OK, I see what you were looking at. The retainers (welded to the floor pan) were added very early - even 12746 had those. But the clips "apparently" weren't supplied until #77533.

AHA! I did learn something today. I replaced the floor pans in my car (11730), and did not notice the retainers on the old floor before I cut it out. Guess I need some of those too! Thanks for clearing that up Arne.

  geezer said:

You would need to weld in the retainers also. They weren't used until 1972 beginning SN HLS30-77533. The clip itself must be made of spring steel? That would make it more difficult to reproduce, but someone here might be up for it.

Ron,

My car, hls30-20419 came with the retainers fastened to the floors. As Carl Beck mentioned in the thread "Loop Pile Carpet, Any Recent Purchases?" in post #51, the bulletin said that the carpet clips weren't used until June 13, 1972, but the retainer clips were installed in cars much earlier.

Dan

  AZ-240z said:

Ron,

My car, hls30-20419 came with the retainers fastened to the floors. As Carl Beck mentioned in the thread "Loop Pile Carpet, Any Recent Purchases?" in post #51, the bulletin said that the carpet clips weren't used until June 13, 1972, but the retainer clips were installed in cars much earlier.

Dan

Thanks Dan. Although I knew about the bulletin and the start date for the clips, the fact that my car originally had the retainers was lost on me. I guess I just didn't connect "much earlier" with my car and I now have replacement floor panels.

What hardest to find I seen 2 of those things today in a bag.

  Unkle said:

Mike , these parts most certainly left the factory attached to the cars ! So what if they were suposed to be removed by Datsun on the '' other side " !

I'm sorry, I thought one of your concerns was regarding the person who started the thread using a reproduction of a throttle knob in a car show. I'll let a show judge chime in, but my understanding is that any US car would get a deduction for having a throttle (and throttle knob) that it was not delivered with.

  Unkle said:

Here's a scenario : July 2009 , nice summer day at a Datsun car show. Everybody knows each other ( small town ). 35 cars + trucks in various forms , some perfect, some not , like your typical show . The guys suddenly seem to gravitate to a newcomer . Great paint , low vin, all the earmarks . The interior reveals every early part from grey dash / console panels , hand throttle assembly, etc. The exterior shows the 3 light taillight housings, the chrome 'z' sail panel badges , clear hatch glass , it's all there ! Vin # 19 seems to be reborn ! It's for sale , and 2 buyers are very interested. The seller then says : this is a ''tribute'' car as all of these parts are reproductions , accurate to perfection exept one thing : it's a fake made to look like the real thing. And, he has every part of this car in multiples for sale . (end of story ). I don't know about you but this to me this would now always make me wonder : Is it real ? Anything ''early'' for sale , whether on Ebay or at a Datsun swap meet : is it fake ? Things that make you go ''hmmm''. :paranoid:

I am confused. In your scenario above, what country are the people located in and what do you mean by Vin #19? Remember this is a site frequented by people from many countries and there were many models of S30s with a VIN #19, such as S30-00019, HS30-00019, HLS30-00019, etc. Sorry, couldn't resist that one. Bryan is right about HLS30-00019 being safe from counterfeit though .

Ok, now some better examples.

S30-00002 is discovered in Japan and it is in a very rough state. Most of the original unique parts are gone. Should we send it to the crusher, since it has no value now? Should we restore it using any currently available Nissan parts, no matter how different they are from the originals? Should we get as many NOS, original used, and correct looking reproduction parts (gasp!) as are available (thanks to people like Bryan) and restore it as close to original as possible?

If HLS30-00019 were available for sale, and it was in pristine shape, but didn't have a red-dot knob, correct hood bumpers, and a correct fuel door knob, would that keep you from buying it (assuming you otherwise could and would)? If you bought it with all these parts and found out later on they were reproductions, would you feel the car was "a fake".

Personally, I think the whole idea that a few reproduction parts will increase the number of counterfeit cars that will fool an educated buyer is a bit overblown. Uneducated buyers should not be buying cars they know nothing about. What about the VIN tags, including the one etched in the firewall? What about clear title paper work? What about a block number that matches the VIN range? What about the databases that Carl Beck and others keep of cars and their VIN numbers? What about the unique date stamps and body features unique to specific car models and production dates?

As a seller, yes, I would disclose any reproduction parts I have on a car I was selling, just like I would anything else that I thought would educate the buyer about the condition of the car and its history.

Did you have any additional research on NCRS rules regarding use of reproduction parts to share with us (other than seat covers, which you are ok with for some reason)?

  Unkle said:

Oh , Mike , there's a big piece of land North of you that may or may not have complied with the ''U.S.'' laws of the day .

Unkle, maybe you didn't realize that I was commenting on the fact that the original poster lives in Georgia, which I believe is still part of the US, hence my comments about US law and what would be correct for his car. However, after rethinking my comments, you have changed my opinion. I think all sales of reproduction and used throttle knobs into "the Great White North" should be banned, least they potentially devalue your very rare original .

-Mike

I just wonder if you had a 69/70 240Z and went to the Nissan dealer and asked for the fuel door knob lock they would give you what???

1 hard time

2 Stupid look

3 A fuel door knob for a 71 240

that was made by someone different than the company or person from 1969/70

For someone to believe that in the 70's there was only one company that made parts for Z cars is crazy. If so that person should take a trip to Lumpa land and pick up some orange men to restore there Z.

A few early cars came to the states with the hand throttle, purely by accident. The USA DOT required that they be removed by the dealers before the cars were sold-a few squeeked through the system. In addition the parts inventory was made up of the hand throttle parts as the parts were not immediately removed from inventory, and on occasion, the choke assembly was replaced with the original assy that had the throttle knob on it. This information came from one of my closest friends, a Datsun Trained Dealer Mechanic from 1967-1979, and is supported by TSBs, and parts books.

To this day, in the USA, it is illegal to have a working hand throttle assembly in a 240Z originally delivered to and still registered in the USA. Fortunately most enforcement officers have no idea of the law, the parts, and other than the original issue to Nissan from being caught and fined for non-compliance, nobody really cares.

Will

Will

Funny thing, my 280Z came with a special throtle like that.

The only thing about it was, you had to operate it with your foot.

Mike, your argument sounds as stupid as mine , so let's leave it alone now to let others either post or let it die.

John T. , I really don't understand your way of , of, well, thinking at this point , so again let's do each other a favor , eh ?

  onuthin said:

What is is real funny is how my search for this '' Holy Grail ''took so many turns after I posted it.I noticed my Z s/n 103855 or close to that had the whole throttle assy except the lever and knob.I believe they exist but as of this reply the only knob in my hand right now is not a choke or throttle knob.

I wrote that quote the other day but I still had hope of finding the "holy grail" throttle knob.Thanks to Mike B for giving me Bryan's E-mail I now have 2 of them. Thanks for all the leads from everyone.It proves this club is willing to help anybody in need and nobody can ask for a better bunch of friends.If I can help anyone I will be more than happy to.I am going to make my donation of 150 dollars as I said to help the club. Ronnie

Mike,

The exact wording is; "Vehicles exhibited must be configured exactly as shipped from factory (NOT DEALER). Cars with Dealer add-ons such, as wheels, other than stock tires, side moldings, etc. can enter this class with deductions for same. Radios, paint color, tires, etc. must be as shipped. A/C must be factory installed except 240Z which may have same A/C as installed by dealer, i.e. ARA or Frigid King, with basic York compressor."

I can see a case for the hand throttle. "Tires must be as shipped" is interesting.

Edited March 17, 200916 yr by 26th-Z