whamo Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share #37 Posted February 18, 2009 "Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about House Bill 2186. Your feedback is important to me and helps inform the actions I take in the Legislature. As you may be aware, HB 2186 is a part of Governor Kulongoski’s effort to raise environmental standards in over state and limit carbon emissions.The intent of section (3)(1)(d) is to allow the Oregon Environmental Quality Commission to set standards for certain replacement parts that can increase greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles, not to ban parts. The standards would apply to both after-market products as well as original parts to the vehicle. The rules would be designed to prevent a significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions from replacement parts while still ensuring a full range of consumer choice in products. So they simply want to set standards for aftermarket parts not ban them. B.S...... I assume if a part does not meet their standards it will be banned. Who voted for these pricks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundmasterg Posted February 19, 2009 Share #38 Posted February 19, 2009 So they simply want to set standards for aftermarket parts not ban them. B.S...... I assume if a part does not meet their standards it will be banned. Who voted for these pricks?I sure didn't. We already have too much government control IMO, we don't need more. Hopefully the bill will get defeated and these guys won't get re-elected.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Palmer Posted February 19, 2009 Share #39 Posted February 19, 2009 These guys? What guys would that be? The Governor called for this measure to be written up in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whamo Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share #40 Posted February 19, 2009 These guys? What guys would that be? The Governor called for this measure to be written up in the first place.Yeah, the governor definitely qaulifies as one of those pricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooduck Posted February 19, 2009 Share #41 Posted February 19, 2009 For my ignorance. I am really smart, but I have no experience with this "blog/forum/thread, whatever that has turned the greatest communication tool ever. But when I hear of legislatures "banning" things I get really upset. I live in the state that is the 4th largest legislative body in the country who just LOVES to waste time on frivolous laws to protect ourselves FROM ourselves. (MN) I am growing weary of lawmakers taking this country by control, and consistently clamping down on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beandip Posted February 19, 2009 Share #42 Posted February 19, 2009 I emailed one of the parties associated with this bill in the state congress and here is the reply that was sent back to me today. It sounds like he is saying it isn't as bad as it sounds, but I still think its a bad idea. They could extend it to ban sale of performance mufflers, Megasquirt, etc., because they could lead to increased greenhouse gas emission over stock.Greg"Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about House Bill 2186. Your feedback is important to me and helps inform the actions I take in the Legislature. As you may be aware, HB 2186 is a part of Governor Kulongoski’s effort to raise environmental standards in over state and limit carbon emissions.The intent of section (3)(1)(d) is to allow the Oregon Environmental Quality Commission to set standards for certain replacement parts that can increase greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles, not to ban parts. The standards would apply to both after-market products as well as original parts to the vehicle. The rules would be designed to prevent a significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions from replacement parts while still ensuring a full range of consumer choice in products. The Oregon Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) does not expect this to affect a large number of products. The proposal is modeled after similar changes in states like California to improve, not ban, automotive parts.In their testimony before the House Environment and Water Committee, DEQ made clear their commitment to amend the bill with new language to be written in cooperation with the Northwest Automotive Trades Association, the Automobile Aftermarket Industry Association and others to clarify their intent. Thanks for writing me. It is an honor representing you in the Oregon House of Representatives and I hope you will continue to write me about issues that are important to you."This is just a form letter sent to all. I received the same one from several of the Reps Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundmasterg Posted February 20, 2009 Share #43 Posted February 20, 2009 This is just a form letter sent to all. I received the same one from several of the Reps GaryThanks for clarifying that Gary. So not only do these representatives that are supposed to be working for us waste their time trying to introduce bills that no one wants except the lobbyists who pay the most money, but they can't even spend 5 minutes and write a proper reply themselves. It just disgusts me sometimes how this all "works."Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whamo Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share #44 Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) I heard today that it may soon be illegal to wash your car in your driveway here in Vancouver Washington. Might hurt the fishes.......... facist enviro nazis :stupid: Edited February 20, 2009 by whamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whamo Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share #45 Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) evidently its not illegal yet but I wouldn't be surprised to see this pop up soon.http://www.ecy.wa.gov/news/2008news/2008-259.html Edited February 20, 2009 by whamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 20, 2009 Share #46 Posted February 20, 2009 Yea, Oregon is a bit strange in a lot of ways. I don't mind the gas thing, and, as long as I'm standing next to the guy when he fills up my tank, there are no scratches. I really like the fact that we don't have to pay sales tax. But, this bill is an absolute joke and I seriously doubt it will be passed. There is a lot of money riding on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whamo Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share #47 Posted February 20, 2009 Yea, Oregon is a bit strange in a lot of ways. .......................................... I really like the fact that we don't have to pay sales tax. I like that fact too, combined with Washingtons no income tax I have the best of both worlds. Earn in Washington, Spend in Oregon....................................................................................................................................................................................................................just kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevef1972z Posted February 22, 2009 Share #48 Posted February 22, 2009 Venting here if fine. Healthy actually. Many states have run similar bills in the recent past. Dont let the venting stop here. To be effective make yourself part of the solution to the problems. Join groups like SEMA to ensure the hobby has a voice.Bills become laws when voted on by the people chosen to be in the office. Democracy works only as long as the governed are part of the government. As a country we have let the control go to the politicians. We the people have a tendancy to vote every few years and forget. When something effects us directly we become outraged. People need to be watchful at all times to keep government working properly. If not then things can spiral out of control quickly. Our situation legislatively and finacinally didnt occur overnight. It has all been years in the making. Now we pay for decades of inattention. The current conditions will make it much easier for federal, state and local governments to attempt many different laws and regulations on many areas of our lives. We, as a hobby, pay intimate attention to proper pieces is proper places, measure to the 100th of an inch a functioning part, and put undivided attention toward our projects. Applying those same skills to other areas of our lives and monitoring our government is a great place to start using those skills outside the garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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