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Classic case of one car avoiding an accident creating another. Morton had left a gap, Johnson saw it and moved over to avoid the slowing car, Morton couldn't slow enough to avoid the accident. It's racing, it happens, no ones fault. Easy to analyse after the fact, we've all had them in the heat of a race.

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Each race organization has their own set of rules regarding car to car contact. Here is HSR's policy: "PASSING:  The responsibility for a clean pass rests with both drivers. It is the responsibility of the passer to make a clean pass and responsibility of the passee to maintain a predictable line. " And this "UNSAFE OR DANGEROUS DRIVING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.  Sanctions will be imposed on drivers who are found at fault at the discretion of the Competition Director. Drive safely without incident."

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The HSR passing rule doesn't go into any detail on when a pass in a corner can be taken (front tires or door to front tire of the passing car as an example) or anywhere else on the track so I'm not sure how they will judge everyone's actions (reactions) and this incident took place at the most dangerous of all points in a race; at the start, when folks are fighting for position.

In the end it will be the decision by the Driver's Committee, Race Stewards or a similar group of people who will review videos and talk with those involved that matters. I am unaware of the outcome of any review and can understand John's and Randy's opinion that John was not in the wrong in that the Chevron left him no "racing room". I can also see where the driver of the Chevron may not of had a clear view of John's approach before moving right. Nothing good happened.

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5 minutes ago, gnosez said:

I am unaware of the outcome of any review and can understand John's and Randy's opinion that John was not in the wrong in that the Chevron left him no "racing room".

I think if the cars and drivers were switched, John and Randy would be saying that the Chevron drove straight into the Z. In fact, that's what they do seem to be saying anyway, isn't it?

I have the utmost respect for Morton and I am - of course - a Z fan, but it needs saying.

 

13 minutes ago, gnosez said:

I can also see where the driver of the Chevron may not of had a clear view of John's approach before moving right.

Looks like he certainly had a better view of the incidents unfolding on his left, which explains why he was moving to the right side of the track ahead of Morton.

I know it's all too easy to Monday Morning Quarterback this, but the key point(s) here are the incidents unfolding on the left side of the track in turns one and two. Ploughing into a crippled/stationary car because the regulations state that you should "maintain a predictable line" is not the best interpretation of the rules, so the Chevron driver was doing the right thing in my opinion.

 

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Please note that there is a difference between "understand" and "agree".  I understand why John and Randy see things but I'm not sure if they are right. It's a race but not a race in that no one wins any money so some modicum of caution is in order especially at the start. That being said, you're out there racing and it's hard not to press an advantage when you see one. That whole incident took place literally in at best two blinks of an eye. 

I run with VRG that has three race groups (small, medium and big bore) and while I could race in either the medium or the big bore group I elect to run with the V8s, V6s and 930 turbos along with other Zs. I get jumped hard at the start of most races by cars that have slower lap times but are much quicker off the mark at the start of the race. I consider a race start as a Darwinian experiment, one I don't wish to participate in and one in which some of my fellow racers exit before completing a single lap. It takes me a few laps but I manage to get by some of them by hanging all over them in the turns and late braking them on the straights. 

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I never raced in historic events, just SCCA.  They were both past the spinning car on the left when the Chevron took the line into the kink.  The Chevron was ahead - it was his line.  Morton plowed into the back of him.  That's the way I see it.

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The two cars leading the yellow car had cars to their right. They both left room for these cars and seemed to have "situational awareness" into and out of the corner.  The yellow car was, at first, following them then suddenly switched lanes going into the corner.... I would understand if it was F1 and two Ferraris that hit each other.

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